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From: Nancy Bo Flood <wflood_at_hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:36:44 -0700
Can we all stand in line behind Elizabeth? Thank you, everyone, for this discussion, and I will buy a second copy as both a political act and a thank you to Tim for opening many windows,
Nancy Bo Flood
From: timtingle_at_hotmail.com To: ehbluemle_at_gmail.com; ccbc-net_at_lists.wisc.edu; laseister@bellsouth.net; grodgers3@cox.net; jeanne@theroadrunnerpress.com; jacob.tingle@trinity.edu; jtingle@trinity.edu; leebyrd@cincopuntos.com Subject: RE: [ccbc-net] This goes back to discussion perhaps before Tim Tingle Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 00:31:15 +0000
Elizabeth,
Choctaws are well-known for adopting people from other cultures. I might just call a council meeting and see if we can consider you.
Which would you prefer, the Mississippi Choctaw swamplands filled with fluent speakers and the second-best Stickball team in the southeast, or the Kiamichi Mountains of Oklahoma Choctaw Country, with a number of fluent speakers and the Best stickball team, plus the best cooks?!
I am so appreciative of everyone who has taken part in our week of discussion. The thought-provokers have been neither cantankerous nor combative; Hoke Hoke, A few of you have made me LOL, but You must have known beforehand that Choctaws are known for forgiveness.
Here's a piece of Choctaw knowledge I don't think we've touched upon. We are a nation, of course, with our beautiful capitol grounds––and our national anthem?
"Shilombish Holitopama,"
"Amazing Grace" in the Choctaw language. It was sung daily by walkers on the Trail of Tears in the 1830's.
Blessings Your Way,
Tim
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> Subject: Re: [ccbc-net] This goes back to discussion perhaps before Tim Tingle
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:01:53 -0500
> To: timtingle_at_hotmail.com
>
> Hi, Regina.
>
> The point I take from this conversation, and from many similar frank
> conversations with friends, is that majority- or dominant-culture members
> need to work much harder to have a nuanced, deep understanding of other
> cultures than the reverse, simply because majority/dominant culture is so
> pervasive, it is the pool in which EVERYONE in the culture must swim. The
> imagery is familiar, the pop culture ubiquitous, the examples of a variety
> of dominant-culture narratives legion. There is no danger of a single white
> story in this country; the idea is laughable because we have so many
> examples from which to choose.
>
> This is of course not true in the reverse. Would that it were laughable to
> say that about representations of other experiences in this country!
> Wouldn't it be amazing to have thousands of books about children of other
> heritages?
>
> So, the *very* broad brush stroke of this idea is that it is likely to be
> easier for, say, a black author to write a convincing white character
> (convincing to white, i.e., cross-culture, audiences) than the reverse,
> simply because you cannot grow up in this country without being steeped in
> white culture. White culture is to a great extent familiar territory. The
> reverse just isn't true, so for dominant-culture writers to inhabit their
> characters in a way that resonates for readers of the culture being written
> about requires enormous time, sensitivity, awareness, and personal
> familiarity with that culture.
>
> Apologies for any muddiness, or if I have just made the same point three
> different ways. Tired brain at the end of a very long week!
>
> Sincerely,
> Elizabeth
>
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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:36:44 -0700
Can we all stand in line behind Elizabeth? Thank you, everyone, for this discussion, and I will buy a second copy as both a political act and a thank you to Tim for opening many windows,
Nancy Bo Flood
From: timtingle_at_hotmail.com To: ehbluemle_at_gmail.com; ccbc-net_at_lists.wisc.edu; laseister@bellsouth.net; grodgers3@cox.net; jeanne@theroadrunnerpress.com; jacob.tingle@trinity.edu; jtingle@trinity.edu; leebyrd@cincopuntos.com Subject: RE: [ccbc-net] This goes back to discussion perhaps before Tim Tingle Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 00:31:15 +0000
Elizabeth,
Choctaws are well-known for adopting people from other cultures. I might just call a council meeting and see if we can consider you.
Which would you prefer, the Mississippi Choctaw swamplands filled with fluent speakers and the second-best Stickball team in the southeast, or the Kiamichi Mountains of Oklahoma Choctaw Country, with a number of fluent speakers and the Best stickball team, plus the best cooks?!
I am so appreciative of everyone who has taken part in our week of discussion. The thought-provokers have been neither cantankerous nor combative; Hoke Hoke, A few of you have made me LOL, but You must have known beforehand that Choctaws are known for forgiveness.
Here's a piece of Choctaw knowledge I don't think we've touched upon. We are a nation, of course, with our beautiful capitol grounds––and our national anthem?
"Shilombish Holitopama,"
"Amazing Grace" in the Choctaw language. It was sung daily by walkers on the Trail of Tears in the 1830's.
Blessings Your Way,
Tim
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> Subject: Re: [ccbc-net] This goes back to discussion perhaps before Tim Tingle
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:01:53 -0500
> To: timtingle_at_hotmail.com
>
> Hi, Regina.
>
> The point I take from this conversation, and from many similar frank
> conversations with friends, is that majority- or dominant-culture members
> need to work much harder to have a nuanced, deep understanding of other
> cultures than the reverse, simply because majority/dominant culture is so
> pervasive, it is the pool in which EVERYONE in the culture must swim. The
> imagery is familiar, the pop culture ubiquitous, the examples of a variety
> of dominant-culture narratives legion. There is no danger of a single white
> story in this country; the idea is laughable because we have so many
> examples from which to choose.
>
> This is of course not true in the reverse. Would that it were laughable to
> say that about representations of other experiences in this country!
> Wouldn't it be amazing to have thousands of books about children of other
> heritages?
>
> So, the *very* broad brush stroke of this idea is that it is likely to be
> easier for, say, a black author to write a convincing white character
> (convincing to white, i.e., cross-culture, audiences) than the reverse,
> simply because you cannot grow up in this country without being steeped in
> white culture. White culture is to a great extent familiar territory. The
> reverse just isn't true, so for dominant-culture writers to inhabit their
> characters in a way that resonates for readers of the culture being written
> about requires enormous time, sensitivity, awareness, and personal
> familiarity with that culture.
>
> Apologies for any muddiness, or if I have just made the same point three
> different ways. Tired brain at the end of a very long week!
>
> Sincerely,
> Elizabeth
>
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