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From: Glenn, Erica <EGlenn_at_ci.berkeley.ca.us>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 19:15:02 +0000
Two responses to the digest from June 25:
Tonya, Thank you so much for your discussion of Emancipation Proclamation - I'm going to grab it off our shelves right now and check it out. I'm ashamed to say that while I might have seen it when it first came out (one of my colleagues might have even talked about it), it had fallen off my radar. Thank you (and CCBC) for putting it back on my radar, and now on my desk!
Kelly, I think you should write about your baseball/little league experience as well. It sounds interesting, but also heartbreaking - but what a great dad to encourage you. Like you said, kids today would be shocked and it would be enlightening for girls to hear some of the obstacles that female athletes have had to overcome.
-Erica
Erica Dean Glenn Children’s Services Berkeley Public Library, 2090 Kittredge Street, Berkeley, CA 94704 eglenn_at_ci.berkeley.ca.us
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CCBC-NET Digest for Wednesday, June 25, 2014.
1. Welcome Tonya Bolden! 2. RIP - AGAIN ! 3. Re: Welcome Tonya Bolden! 4. Female Sports Biographies 5. Re: Female Sports Biographies 6. Re: Female Sports Biographies 7. Re: Female Sports Biographies
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Subject: Welcome Tonya Bolden! From: Megan Schliesman <schliesman@education.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:05:16 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1
Today we welcome Tonya Bolden, author of "Emancipation Proclamation: Lincoln and the Dawn of Liberty" to our discussion to respond to any questions we have.Thank you for joining us, Tonya!
I'll start off by asking about the voice that both Emily and I have commented on.I'm curious whether you went in to the writing of this book already thinking about --or hearing--the voice, or whether it is something that developed as you worked on the narrative.It is so powerful, and I've not ready anything like it in a work of non-fiction.
I think the voice is one of the many ways the book strongly illuminates the agency of African Americans who, whether free or enslaved, were actively seeking freedom.
I also appreciated getting such a detailed perspective into Lincoln's changing thinking, or at least changing public statements, about slavery and emancipation over the course of his presidency. (It put me in mind of current events regarding civil rights for the gay/lesbian/transgendered communities.)I think/hope one of the ways teaching about history in school has changed is that we understand the importance of teaching about the complexities, and this is certainly a book that is rich with them.Was there something you learned in your research that particularly surprised you?
Megan
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Subject: RIP - AGAIN ! From: Lbhcove_at_aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:23:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Number: 2
SAD NEWS: NANCY GARDEN died from a massive heart attack at the age of 76.
We were writing back and forth about some things just last week. Nancy wrote the breakthrough ANNIE ON MY MIND, one of the first YA novels dealing with lesbian relationships. She was an incredible, witty wondrous woman.
Visit my site:
_www.leebennetthopkins.com_ (http://www.leebennetthopkins.com/)
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Subject: Re: Welcome Tonya Bolden! From: Tonya Bolden <tonbolden@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:14:06 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3
Hello, All!
Thanks so much for your interest in my work! OK . . .
Voice: A couple things were on my mind. I knew up front that I would use the F Douglass quote about the wait at Tremont Temple. As you picked up on, I thought that there was a need for the book because many today tend to look at the EP in terms of what is wasn't. They focus on the letter of the law not the spirit of the law--and what abolitionists and enslaved people made of it.
I once was "they." But over the years while researching other books, I read of people like Douglass and Harper praising/revering the EP. I came across photographs of parades on anniversaries of the EP. One day it dawned on me that if the EP mattered to likes of Frederick Douglass who am I to dismiss it?
With all this in my head, and probably re-reading Douglass' account, it dawned on me that Lincoln could have not issued the EP. Sometimes you have to "make it strange"--forget what you know.
I thought about what it must have been like for abolitionists and enslaved people (who had access to the grapevine) to wait those 100 days btwn the preliminary EP to the final.
I put myself in their shoes, in their minds, in their hearts. That in turn had me thinking about how long a wait it was for the end of slavery--centuries!
That makes you really stop and think about the all the blood, sweat, and tears spent on ending slavery. So next thing I knew I was looking at laws like the Missouri Compromise from the POV of people who stood against slavery.
As I meditated on Douglass's account, I realized, well of course there were people elsewhere in Boston and elsewhere in the nation waiting for the EP. So I went in search of some.
I knew I was going out on a limb with the "We" and the whole structure. Thankfully my editor didn't think I went too far out.
Agency of black people: Yes I wanted to stress that b/c in a book published not that long ago an author suggested that during the Civil War enslaved blacks really didn't know what was going on. OK maybe not in some parts of the Deep South, but not all were clueless. When I spoke to a group of educators about EP, one admitted that he found it hard to believe that there was a grapevine. He meant no offense but he couldn't fathom it. I reminded him of how often even today wealthy powerful people say all kinds of things within earshot of their domestic workers, imagining that these people aren't listening/understanding. I reminded him of enslaved people learning to read on the sly. And of the mobility of many in cities, esp those who were allowed to hire themselves out. And there's the role of black sailors.
Basically it starts with recognizing the humanity: If any of us were being held against our will wouldn't we be trying to escape, get information? Don't people in prisons get messages in and out--and contraband? So how could any of us think that people enslaved in the 19th century wouldn't have done the same things? It's human to want to be free.
On Lincoln: I have concluded that he is a Sphinx. As one scholar said, he can be anything you want him to be. Another reason people have dismissed the EP is because they have discovered that Lincoln had some disturbing views. So they throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Complexity: Yes, I believe we need to teach our children that there are complexities. How can there not be? Few history makers are pure angels or pure devils. And politics is so about complexity. This is why in my book on the New Deal I included that FDR said no to supporting an antilynching bill, for political reasons. And of course the FDR who pushed for social security also had Japanese and other Americans interned during the war.
It's complicated.
One of my favorite pullquotes in that book is the following from Paul Conkin: "Only with trepidation will students of history try to judge the results of the New Deal. . . . But judge they must, not to whip the past but to use it."
This is what we must instill in our children: to learn from the past, use it to make this present era better.
When I discussed EP with some students at a school in Queens, some were very hard on Lincoln. I stressed that the need to keep border states in the Union was real. I reminded them that the majority of whites in the North were not abolitionists, and many not even antislavery. I was trying to get them to stop and really grasp all that Lincoln was grappling with.
I asked these students if there are injustices in our society today, then tried to get them to see that they will persist if they and I and a lot of other people do not get involved in righting the wrongs. We can't look to a president or any other individual to do it.
Something I learned that surprised me: I can't remember all but they include
1. how much energy Lincoln put into colonization. Some have dismissed it as just a ploy/a head fake. After the research I became convinced that at one point he was very serious about it. I found no evidence that he had plans to straight up deport black people as some have suggested.
2. that the concern about Britain and other nations entering on the side of the CSA has been overblown.
I should say that when it comes to Lincoln one of the scholars I trust the most is Eric Foner. I think he's honest. He doesn't demonize Lincoln. He doesn't make excuses for him. As I see it, he simply tells the truth.
Again, I thank you for your time. In future I'll try not to be so longwinded.
Apologies for typos and grammar goofs.
Tonya
On Jun 25, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Megan Schliesman wrote:
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Subject: Female Sports Biographies From: Sandra Neil Wallace <sandraneilwallace@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:40:42 -0400 X-Message-Number: 4
I agree with Maggie Bokelman.Yes, there are too few nonfiction books on women athletes. It can also be difficult to convince publishers to commit to stories on lesser-known women athletes, but it’s worth taking that challenge on. We also live in a book culture where if more than one book is written on the same female athlete, it’s considered “already been doneâ€, yet picture books on Babe Ruth come out annually & are celebrated. I think in our zeal to champion books for boys, we lose sight of the ones that are about women athletes, too.
Sandra Neil Wallace Author of *Babe Conquers The World* (Calkins Creek 2014)
*Muckers* (Knopf 2013)
*Little Joe* (Knopf 2010) BABE CONQUERS THE WORLD (Calkins Creek 2014)
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Subject: Re: Female Sports Biographies From: kellymilnerh_at_aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:54:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Number: 5
SO true, Sandra. I'd love to write a book on Billie Jean King, but I know they'd say it's been done. But I'd love to write nonfiction about women athletes as a former jock myself. I'm so old my father coached a baseball team just so I could practice everyday. But I couldn't participate in the little league games. No girls allowed. When I tell modern girls about that, they are absolutely shocked. I think there is room for a lot more on atheletic women.
Kelly
Writer, Kelly Milner Halls kellymilnerh_at_aol.com www.wondersofweird.com
-----Original Message----- From: Sandra Neil Wallace <sandraneilwallace@gmail.com> To: ccbc-net <ccbc-net@lists.wisc.edu> Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 6:41 pm Subject: [ccbc-net] Female Sports Biographies
I agree with Maggie Bokelman.Yes, there are too few nonfiction books onwomen athletes. It can also be difficult to convince publishers to commit to stories on lesser-knownwomen athletes, but it’s worth taking that challenge on. We also live in a bookculture where if more than one book is written on the same female athlete, it’sconsidered “already been doneâ€, yet picture books on Babe Ruth come outannually & are celebrated. I think in our zeal to champion books for boys,we lose sight of the ones that are about women athletes, too.
Sandra Neil Wallace Author of Babe Conquers The World (Calkins Creek 2014) Muckers (Knopf 2013) Little Joe (Knopf 2010) BABE CONQUERS THE WORLD(Calkins Creek 2014)
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Subject: Re: Female Sports Biographies From: Nancy Daniels <danielsa@uwplatt.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:30:40 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 6
Young women (and men) just don't realize how much has changed in the last 30 years. How many of you know of "girls rules" for basketball? That's how I played in college--1956-58. Nancy Daniels
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SO true, Sandra. I'd love to write a book on Billie Jean King, but I know they'd say it's been done. But I'd love to write nonfiction about women athletes as a former jock myself. I'm so old my father coached a baseball team just so I could practice everyday. But I couldn't participate in the little league games. No girls allowed. When I tell modern girls about that, they are absolutely shocked. I think there is room for a lot more on atheletic women.
Kelly
Writer, Kelly Milner Halls kellymilnerh_at_aol.com www.wondersofweird.com
-----Original Message----- From: Sandra Neil Wallace < sandraneilwallace@gmail.com > To: ccbc-net < ccbc-net@lists.wisc.edu > Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 6:41 pm Subject: [ccbc-net] Female Sports Biographies
I agree with Maggie Bokelman .Yes, there are too few nonfiction books on women athletes. It can also be difficult to convince publishers to commit to stories on lesser-known women athletes, but it’s worth taking that challenge on. We also live in a book culture where if more than one book is written on the same female athlete, it’s considered “already been doneâ€, yet picture books on Babe Ruth come out annually & are celebrated. I think in our zeal to champion books for boys, we lose sight of the ones that are about women athletes, too.
Sandra Neil Wallace Author of Babe Conquers The World (Calkins Creek 2014) Muckers (Knopf 2013) Little Joe (Knopf 2010) BABE CONQUERS THE WORLD (Calkins Creek 2014)
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Subject: Re: Female Sports Biographies From: maggie_bo_at_comcast.net Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 03:52:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Message-Number: 7
Kids definitely do not realize how much has changed .... that's absolutely true .... but I wonder if adults from older generations are aware of exactly how involved today's girls have become as active sports participants? Even though women's professional-level sports still do not begin to generate the media attention and revenue that men's sports do, I'd venture to say that girls play competitive and recreational sports in numbers that are approaching that of boys. Sports are a huge part of girls' daily lives. When I was young, only the most athletic girls, the ones with loads of talent as well as the determination to succeed against the odds, played sports. Now, girls of all ability levels have the opportunity to enjoy playing a sport and getting the benefits that come with being part of a team. Kelly and Sandra, I'd love to see you write books featuring female athletes!!! More importantly, so would my students!
Maggie Bokelman Eagle View Middle School Mechanicsburg, PA
----- Original Message ----- I'd love to write a book on Billie Jean King, but I know they'd say it's been done. But I'd love to write nonfiction about women athletes as a former jock myself. I'm so old my father coached a baseball team just so I could practice everyday. But I couldn't participate in the little league games. No girls allowed. When I tell modern girls about that, they are absolutely shocked. I think there is room for a lot more on atheletic women.
Kelly
Writer, Kelly Milner Halls kellymilnerh_at_aol.com www.wondersofweird.com
-----Original Message-----
I agree with Maggie Bokelman .Yes, there are too few nonfiction books on women athletes. It can also be difficult to convince publishers to commit to stories on lesser-known women athletes, but it’s worth taking that challenge on. We also live in a book culture where if more than one book is written on the same female athlete, it’s considered “already been doneâ€, yet picture books on Babe Ruth come out annually & are celebrated. I think in our zeal to champion books for boys, we lose sight of the ones that are about women athletes, too.
Sandra Neil Wallace Author of Babe Conquers The World (Calkins Creek 2014) Muckers (Knopf 2013) Little Joe (Knopf 2010) BABE CONQUERS THE WORLD (Calkins Creek 2014)
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Two responses to the digest from June 25:
Tonya, Thank you so much for your discussion of Emancipation Proclamation - I'm going to grab it off our shelves right now and check it out. I'm ashamed to say that while I might have seen it when it first came out (one of my colleagues might have even talked about it), it had fallen off my radar. Thank you (and CCBC) for putting it back on my radar, and now on my desk!
Kelly, I think you should write about your baseball/little league experience as well. It sounds interesting, but also heartbreaking - but what a great dad to encourage you. Like you said, kids today would be shocked and it would be enlightening for girls to hear some of the obstacles that female athletes have had to overcome.
-Erica
Erica Dean Glenn Children’s Services Berkeley Public Library, 2090 Kittredge Street, Berkeley, CA 94704 eglenn_at_ci.berkeley.ca.us
-----Original Message----- From: CCBC-Net digest [mailto:ccbc-net@lists.wisc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 10:16 PM To: ccbc-net digest recipients Subject: ccbc-net digest: June 25, 2014
CCBC-NET Digest for Wednesday, June 25, 2014.
1. Welcome Tonya Bolden! 2. RIP - AGAIN ! 3. Re: Welcome Tonya Bolden! 4. Female Sports Biographies 5. Re: Female Sports Biographies 6. Re: Female Sports Biographies 7. Re: Female Sports Biographies
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Subject: Welcome Tonya Bolden! From: Megan Schliesman <schliesman@education.wisc.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:05:16 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1
Today we welcome Tonya Bolden, author of "Emancipation Proclamation: Lincoln and the Dawn of Liberty" to our discussion to respond to any questions we have.Thank you for joining us, Tonya!
I'll start off by asking about the voice that both Emily and I have commented on.I'm curious whether you went in to the writing of this book already thinking about --or hearing--the voice, or whether it is something that developed as you worked on the narrative.It is so powerful, and I've not ready anything like it in a work of non-fiction.
I think the voice is one of the many ways the book strongly illuminates the agency of African Americans who, whether free or enslaved, were actively seeking freedom.
I also appreciated getting such a detailed perspective into Lincoln's changing thinking, or at least changing public statements, about slavery and emancipation over the course of his presidency. (It put me in mind of current events regarding civil rights for the gay/lesbian/transgendered communities.)I think/hope one of the ways teaching about history in school has changed is that we understand the importance of teaching about the complexities, and this is certainly a book that is rich with them.Was there something you learned in your research that particularly surprised you?
Megan
-- Megan Schliesman, Librarian Cooperative Children's Book Center School of Education, University of Wisconsin-Madison 600 N. Park Street, Room 4290 Madison, WI 53706
608/262-9503 schliesman_at_education.wisc.edu
www.education.wisc.edu/ccbc/
My regular hours are T-F, 8-4:30.
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Subject: RIP - AGAIN ! From: Lbhcove_at_aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 12:23:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Number: 2
SAD NEWS: NANCY GARDEN died from a massive heart attack at the age of 76.
We were writing back and forth about some things just last week. Nancy wrote the breakthrough ANNIE ON MY MIND, one of the first YA novels dealing with lesbian relationships. She was an incredible, witty wondrous woman.
Visit my site:
_www.leebennetthopkins.com_ (http://www.leebennetthopkins.com/)
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Subject: Re: Welcome Tonya Bolden! From: Tonya Bolden <tonbolden@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:14:06 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3
Hello, All!
Thanks so much for your interest in my work! OK . . .
Voice: A couple things were on my mind. I knew up front that I would use the F Douglass quote about the wait at Tremont Temple. As you picked up on, I thought that there was a need for the book because many today tend to look at the EP in terms of what is wasn't. They focus on the letter of the law not the spirit of the law--and what abolitionists and enslaved people made of it.
I once was "they." But over the years while researching other books, I read of people like Douglass and Harper praising/revering the EP. I came across photographs of parades on anniversaries of the EP. One day it dawned on me that if the EP mattered to likes of Frederick Douglass who am I to dismiss it?
With all this in my head, and probably re-reading Douglass' account, it dawned on me that Lincoln could have not issued the EP. Sometimes you have to "make it strange"--forget what you know.
I thought about what it must have been like for abolitionists and enslaved people (who had access to the grapevine) to wait those 100 days btwn the preliminary EP to the final.
I put myself in their shoes, in their minds, in their hearts. That in turn had me thinking about how long a wait it was for the end of slavery--centuries!
That makes you really stop and think about the all the blood, sweat, and tears spent on ending slavery. So next thing I knew I was looking at laws like the Missouri Compromise from the POV of people who stood against slavery.
As I meditated on Douglass's account, I realized, well of course there were people elsewhere in Boston and elsewhere in the nation waiting for the EP. So I went in search of some.
I knew I was going out on a limb with the "We" and the whole structure. Thankfully my editor didn't think I went too far out.
Agency of black people: Yes I wanted to stress that b/c in a book published not that long ago an author suggested that during the Civil War enslaved blacks really didn't know what was going on. OK maybe not in some parts of the Deep South, but not all were clueless. When I spoke to a group of educators about EP, one admitted that he found it hard to believe that there was a grapevine. He meant no offense but he couldn't fathom it. I reminded him of how often even today wealthy powerful people say all kinds of things within earshot of their domestic workers, imagining that these people aren't listening/understanding. I reminded him of enslaved people learning to read on the sly. And of the mobility of many in cities, esp those who were allowed to hire themselves out. And there's the role of black sailors.
Basically it starts with recognizing the humanity: If any of us were being held against our will wouldn't we be trying to escape, get information? Don't people in prisons get messages in and out--and contraband? So how could any of us think that people enslaved in the 19th century wouldn't have done the same things? It's human to want to be free.
On Lincoln: I have concluded that he is a Sphinx. As one scholar said, he can be anything you want him to be. Another reason people have dismissed the EP is because they have discovered that Lincoln had some disturbing views. So they throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Complexity: Yes, I believe we need to teach our children that there are complexities. How can there not be? Few history makers are pure angels or pure devils. And politics is so about complexity. This is why in my book on the New Deal I included that FDR said no to supporting an antilynching bill, for political reasons. And of course the FDR who pushed for social security also had Japanese and other Americans interned during the war.
It's complicated.
One of my favorite pullquotes in that book is the following from Paul Conkin: "Only with trepidation will students of history try to judge the results of the New Deal. . . . But judge they must, not to whip the past but to use it."
This is what we must instill in our children: to learn from the past, use it to make this present era better.
When I discussed EP with some students at a school in Queens, some were very hard on Lincoln. I stressed that the need to keep border states in the Union was real. I reminded them that the majority of whites in the North were not abolitionists, and many not even antislavery. I was trying to get them to stop and really grasp all that Lincoln was grappling with.
I asked these students if there are injustices in our society today, then tried to get them to see that they will persist if they and I and a lot of other people do not get involved in righting the wrongs. We can't look to a president or any other individual to do it.
Something I learned that surprised me: I can't remember all but they include
1. how much energy Lincoln put into colonization. Some have dismissed it as just a ploy/a head fake. After the research I became convinced that at one point he was very serious about it. I found no evidence that he had plans to straight up deport black people as some have suggested.
2. that the concern about Britain and other nations entering on the side of the CSA has been overblown.
I should say that when it comes to Lincoln one of the scholars I trust the most is Eric Foner. I think he's honest. He doesn't demonize Lincoln. He doesn't make excuses for him. As I see it, he simply tells the truth.
Again, I thank you for your time. In future I'll try not to be so longwinded.
Apologies for typos and grammar goofs.
Tonya
On Jun 25, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Megan Schliesman wrote:
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Subject: Female Sports Biographies From: Sandra Neil Wallace <sandraneilwallace@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:40:42 -0400 X-Message-Number: 4
I agree with Maggie Bokelman.Yes, there are too few nonfiction books on women athletes. It can also be difficult to convince publishers to commit to stories on lesser-known women athletes, but it’s worth taking that challenge on. We also live in a book culture where if more than one book is written on the same female athlete, it’s considered “already been doneâ€, yet picture books on Babe Ruth come out annually & are celebrated. I think in our zeal to champion books for boys, we lose sight of the ones that are about women athletes, too.
Sandra Neil Wallace Author of *Babe Conquers The World* (Calkins Creek 2014)
*Muckers* (Knopf 2013)
*Little Joe* (Knopf 2010) BABE CONQUERS THE WORLD (Calkins Creek 2014)
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Subject: Re: Female Sports Biographies From: kellymilnerh_at_aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:54:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Number: 5
SO true, Sandra. I'd love to write a book on Billie Jean King, but I know they'd say it's been done. But I'd love to write nonfiction about women athletes as a former jock myself. I'm so old my father coached a baseball team just so I could practice everyday. But I couldn't participate in the little league games. No girls allowed. When I tell modern girls about that, they are absolutely shocked. I think there is room for a lot more on atheletic women.
Kelly
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-----Original Message----- From: Sandra Neil Wallace <sandraneilwallace@gmail.com> To: ccbc-net <ccbc-net@lists.wisc.edu> Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 6:41 pm Subject: [ccbc-net] Female Sports Biographies
I agree with Maggie Bokelman.Yes, there are too few nonfiction books onwomen athletes. It can also be difficult to convince publishers to commit to stories on lesser-knownwomen athletes, but it’s worth taking that challenge on. We also live in a bookculture where if more than one book is written on the same female athlete, it’sconsidered “already been doneâ€, yet picture books on Babe Ruth come outannually & are celebrated. I think in our zeal to champion books for boys,we lose sight of the ones that are about women athletes, too.
Sandra Neil Wallace Author of Babe Conquers The World (Calkins Creek 2014) Muckers (Knopf 2013) Little Joe (Knopf 2010) BABE CONQUERS THE WORLD(Calkins Creek 2014)
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Subject: Re: Female Sports Biographies From: Nancy Daniels <danielsa@uwplatt.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:30:40 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Number: 6
Young women (and men) just don't realize how much has changed in the last 30 years. How many of you know of "girls rules" for basketball? That's how I played in college--1956-58. Nancy Daniels
----- Original Message ----- From: kellymilnerh@aol.com To: ccbc-net_at_lists.wisc.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:54:40 PM Subject: Re: [ccbc-net] Female Sports Biographies
SO true, Sandra. I'd love to write a book on Billie Jean King, but I know they'd say it's been done. But I'd love to write nonfiction about women athletes as a former jock myself. I'm so old my father coached a baseball team just so I could practice everyday. But I couldn't participate in the little league games. No girls allowed. When I tell modern girls about that, they are absolutely shocked. I think there is room for a lot more on atheletic women.
Kelly
Writer, Kelly Milner Halls kellymilnerh_at_aol.com www.wondersofweird.com
-----Original Message----- From: Sandra Neil Wallace < sandraneilwallace@gmail.com > To: ccbc-net < ccbc-net@lists.wisc.edu > Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 6:41 pm Subject: [ccbc-net] Female Sports Biographies
I agree with Maggie Bokelman .Yes, there are too few nonfiction books on women athletes. It can also be difficult to convince publishers to commit to stories on lesser-known women athletes, but it’s worth taking that challenge on. We also live in a book culture where if more than one book is written on the same female athlete, it’s considered “already been doneâ€, yet picture books on Babe Ruth come out annually & are celebrated. I think in our zeal to champion books for boys, we lose sight of the ones that are about women athletes, too.
Sandra Neil Wallace Author of Babe Conquers The World (Calkins Creek 2014) Muckers (Knopf 2013) Little Joe (Knopf 2010) BABE CONQUERS THE WORLD (Calkins Creek 2014)
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Subject: Re: Female Sports Biographies From: maggie_bo_at_comcast.net Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 03:52:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Message-Number: 7
Kids definitely do not realize how much has changed .... that's absolutely true .... but I wonder if adults from older generations are aware of exactly how involved today's girls have become as active sports participants? Even though women's professional-level sports still do not begin to generate the media attention and revenue that men's sports do, I'd venture to say that girls play competitive and recreational sports in numbers that are approaching that of boys. Sports are a huge part of girls' daily lives. When I was young, only the most athletic girls, the ones with loads of talent as well as the determination to succeed against the odds, played sports. Now, girls of all ability levels have the opportunity to enjoy playing a sport and getting the benefits that come with being part of a team. Kelly and Sandra, I'd love to see you write books featuring female athletes!!! More importantly, so would my students!
Maggie Bokelman Eagle View Middle School Mechanicsburg, PA
----- Original Message ----- I'd love to write a book on Billie Jean King, but I know they'd say it's been done. But I'd love to write nonfiction about women athletes as a former jock myself. I'm so old my father coached a baseball team just so I could practice everyday. But I couldn't participate in the little league games. No girls allowed. When I tell modern girls about that, they are absolutely shocked. I think there is room for a lot more on atheletic women.
Kelly
Writer, Kelly Milner Halls kellymilnerh_at_aol.com www.wondersofweird.com
-----Original Message-----
I agree with Maggie Bokelman .Yes, there are too few nonfiction books on women athletes. It can also be difficult to convince publishers to commit to stories on lesser-known women athletes, but it’s worth taking that challenge on. We also live in a book culture where if more than one book is written on the same female athlete, it’s considered “already been doneâ€, yet picture books on Babe Ruth come out annually & are celebrated. I think in our zeal to champion books for boys, we lose sight of the ones that are about women athletes, too.
Sandra Neil Wallace Author of Babe Conquers The World (Calkins Creek 2014) Muckers (Knopf 2013) Little Joe (Knopf 2010) BABE CONQUERS THE WORLD (Calkins Creek 2014)
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