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From: Colleen Kelley <cakelley_at_ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:07:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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I'm sure there are others, but Helen Frost's "Step Gently Out" with phot os by Rick Lieder comes immediately to mind. Colleen Kelley
-----Original Message----- From: "Sharron L. McElmeel"
Sent: May 17, 2013 3:12 PM To: bookmarch_at_aol.com Cc: horning@education.wisc.edu, ccbc-net@lists.wisc.edu Subject: Re:
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Marc -- you certainly did come up with a great list of classic photo-artists. I would have only been able to name L ewis Hine, and Ansel Adams. However, now we should look to those whos e work is actually used as illustration: There are Tana Hoban ... and ... ?
And if photographs are art -- let's insert photographs in our discussion. Would we consider a book "illustrated" by me if I took a rchival photos from some of the classic photographers that you mention and arranged them in a new way? In the same manner would we consider a bo ok "illustrated" by me if I took archival masterpieces and arranged them in a new way? or would I need to have created the elements used as illu strative matter to create new illustrations to accompany a story? Wou ld we consider illustrations created by others as "my" illustrations regard less of what I did with them -- so if the answer is yes then I guess photog raphs could be taken by others and manipulated by me and be considered mine .
I think small bits and pieces of photographs as used by Patricia P olacco in some of her illustrations in various titles are an exception and certainly become a "new" piece of work. Her illustrations are NOT pho tographic but photographs are used as a small but essential element in her otherwise brush and paint / collage created illustrations.
IMHO if a book is considered to be illustrated by photographs that they should be ta ken by the named illustrator. If photographs are used as Polacco does as an element within a larger brush and paint illustration then I would th ink the photographs could be considered as we do colored paper - we don't c reate our own paper, ribbon or other items that comprise collages of any ty pe.
Sharron On 5/17/13 2:31 PM, Marc Aronson wrote:
...I wonder if ALSC might want to review that question of whether the photos need to be taken by the artist -- since, for example, in collage , photos take on new meaning and impact when juxtaposed by an artist. I wou ld argue that in excellent NF design photos can become a new aesthetic elem ent, created by the designer/author just as much as photos do in collage -- with the added power that the images also convey meaning related to the te xt.
Marc Aronson --
Sharron L. McElmeel Instructor University of Wisconsin - Stout RDGED 703 Children's Literature in the Reading Program
http://www.uwstout.edu/soe/profdev/child renslit.cfm RDGED 704 Young Adult Literature in the Reading Program
Home _at_ Cedar Rapids IOWA e-mail: mcelmeels@uwstout.edu phone: (319) 393-2562 (in CST zone)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 17:07:53 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;ba ckground-color: #ffffff;color: black;}
I'm sure there are others, but Helen Frost's "Step Gently Out" with phot os by Rick Lieder comes immediately to mind. Colleen Kelley
-----Original Message----- From: "Sharron L. McElmeel"
Sent: May 17, 2013 3:12 PM To: bookmarch_at_aol.com Cc: horning@education.wisc.edu, ccbc-net@lists.wisc.edu Subject: Re:
format and bais ="text/html;
Marc -- you certainly did come up with a great list of classic photo-artists. I would have only been able to name L ewis Hine, and Ansel Adams. However, now we should look to those whos e work is actually used as illustration: There are Tana Hoban ... and ... ?
And if photographs are art -- let's insert photographs in our discussion. Would we consider a book "illustrated" by me if I took a rchival photos from some of the classic photographers that you mention and arranged them in a new way? In the same manner would we consider a bo ok "illustrated" by me if I took archival masterpieces and arranged them in a new way? or would I need to have created the elements used as illu strative matter to create new illustrations to accompany a story? Wou ld we consider illustrations created by others as "my" illustrations regard less of what I did with them -- so if the answer is yes then I guess photog raphs could be taken by others and manipulated by me and be considered mine .
I think small bits and pieces of photographs as used by Patricia P olacco in some of her illustrations in various titles are an exception and certainly become a "new" piece of work. Her illustrations are NOT pho tographic but photographs are used as a small but essential element in her otherwise brush and paint / collage created illustrations.
IMHO if a book is considered to be illustrated by photographs that they should be ta ken by the named illustrator. If photographs are used as Polacco does as an element within a larger brush and paint illustration then I would th ink the photographs could be considered as we do colored paper - we don't c reate our own paper, ribbon or other items that comprise collages of any ty pe.
Sharron On 5/17/13 2:31 PM, Marc Aronson wrote:
...I wonder if ALSC might want to review that question of whether the photos need to be taken by the artist -- since, for example, in collage , photos take on new meaning and impact when juxtaposed by an artist. I wou ld argue that in excellent NF design photos can become a new aesthetic elem ent, created by the designer/author just as much as photos do in collage -- with the added power that the images also convey meaning related to the te xt.
Marc Aronson --
Sharron L. McElmeel Instructor University of Wisconsin - Stout RDGED 703 Children's Literature in the Reading Program
http://www.uwstout.edu/soe/profdev/child renslit.cfm RDGED 704 Young Adult Literature in the Reading Program
Home _at_ Cedar Rapids IOWA e-mail: mcelmeels@uwstout.edu phone: (319) 393-2562 (in CST zone)
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