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From: Sharron L. McElmeel <mcelmeels_at_uwstout.edu>
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 15:12:57 -0500
Marc -- you certainly did come up with a great list of classic photo-artists. I would have only been able to name Lewis Hine, and Ansel Adams. However, now we should look to those whose work is actually used as illustration: There are Tana Hoban ... and ... ?
And if photographs are art -- let's insert photographs in our discussion. Would we consider a book "illustrated" by me if I took archival photos from some of the classic photographers that you mention and arranged them in a new way? In the same manner would we consider a book "illustrated" by me if I took archival masterpieces and arranged them in a new way? or would I need to have created the elements used as illustrative matter to create new illustrations to accompany a story? Would we consider illustrations created by others as "my" illustrations regardless of what I did with them -- so if the answer is yes then I guess photographs could be taken by others and manipulated by me and be considered mine.
I think small bits and pieces of photographs as used by Patricia Polacco in some of her illustrations in various titles are an exception and certainly become a "new" piece of work. Her illustrations are NOT photographic but photographs are used as a small but essential element in her otherwise brush and paint / collage created illustrations.
IMHO if a book is considered to be illustrated by photographs that they should be taken by the named illustrator. If photographs are used as Polacco does as an element within a larger brush and paint illustration then I would think the photographs could be considered as we do colored paper - we don't create our own paper, ribbon or other items that comprise collages of any type.
Sharron On 5/17/13 2:31 PM, Marc Aronson wrote:
...I wonder if ALSC might want to review that question of whether the photos need to be taken by the artist -- since, for example, in collage, photos take on new meaning and impact when juxtaposed by an artist. I would argue that in excellent NF design photos can become a new aesthetic element, created by the designer/author just as much as photos do in collage -- with the added power that the images also convey meaning related to the text. Marc Aronson
-- Sharron L. McElmeel Instructor University of Wisconsin - Stout RDGED 703 Children's Literature in the Reading Program RDGED 704 Young Adult Literature in the Reading Program Home _at_ Cedar Rapids IOWA e-mail:mcelmeels@uwstout.edu phone: (319) 393-2562 (in CST zone)
Received on Fri 17 May 2013 03:12:57 PM CDT
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 15:12:57 -0500
Marc -- you certainly did come up with a great list of classic photo-artists. I would have only been able to name Lewis Hine, and Ansel Adams. However, now we should look to those whose work is actually used as illustration: There are Tana Hoban ... and ... ?
And if photographs are art -- let's insert photographs in our discussion. Would we consider a book "illustrated" by me if I took archival photos from some of the classic photographers that you mention and arranged them in a new way? In the same manner would we consider a book "illustrated" by me if I took archival masterpieces and arranged them in a new way? or would I need to have created the elements used as illustrative matter to create new illustrations to accompany a story? Would we consider illustrations created by others as "my" illustrations regardless of what I did with them -- so if the answer is yes then I guess photographs could be taken by others and manipulated by me and be considered mine.
I think small bits and pieces of photographs as used by Patricia Polacco in some of her illustrations in various titles are an exception and certainly become a "new" piece of work. Her illustrations are NOT photographic but photographs are used as a small but essential element in her otherwise brush and paint / collage created illustrations.
IMHO if a book is considered to be illustrated by photographs that they should be taken by the named illustrator. If photographs are used as Polacco does as an element within a larger brush and paint illustration then I would think the photographs could be considered as we do colored paper - we don't create our own paper, ribbon or other items that comprise collages of any type.
Sharron On 5/17/13 2:31 PM, Marc Aronson wrote:
...I wonder if ALSC might want to review that question of whether the photos need to be taken by the artist -- since, for example, in collage, photos take on new meaning and impact when juxtaposed by an artist. I would argue that in excellent NF design photos can become a new aesthetic element, created by the designer/author just as much as photos do in collage -- with the added power that the images also convey meaning related to the text. Marc Aronson
-- Sharron L. McElmeel Instructor University of Wisconsin - Stout RDGED 703 Children's Literature in the Reading Program RDGED 704 Young Adult Literature in the Reading Program Home _at_ Cedar Rapids IOWA e-mail:mcelmeels@uwstout.edu phone: (319) 393-2562 (in CST zone)
Received on Fri 17 May 2013 03:12:57 PM CDT
