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From: James Elliott <libraryjim>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT)
Children change as they grow. But Children and adults do have very different attitudes and abilities to separate things. Adults can bring a different level of critical thinking (not criticism) to what they read than children do. Often, by over-analyzing, adults can totally miss the inherent meaning of a thing. I'm giving my age away here, but have you ever seen an old show called "Children say the Darndest things?" Art Linkletter started it, and I think Bill Cosby revived it, but it shows that there is clearly a difference between how children interpret the world and how adults do.
One story: A minister saw a marquee for an XXX rated movie theater, and mentioned it a shame that 'dirty movies' were so prevalent in his community. Later that night, his son mentioned to a friend what his dad had said. The friend asked "what's a dirty movie?" the son answered, "I don't know, but it must involve a lot of spitting and rolling in the mud!" dirty for him was literally DIRT-y.
Or have you seen a child laughing at a movie such as "Airplane"? They don't get the adult-themed humor, but their mind supplies substitutes that still make it funny to them. Hence the double entendre of a theme.
I don't think there is any argument that children and adults see things on different levels (or that there is any generalization involved). It's a fact of mental and societal development.
Jim
----- Original Message ----- From: mchawkins <caughey195 at yahoo.com> Cc: CCBC -Net <ccbc-net at lists.education.wisc.edu> Sent: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Hide and Seek
I apologize if this has been discussed before, it's a lot to ingest.
What age children do you all mean? A 6 yr old with a picture book and a 9 yr old with Ramona (or vice versa) have different attitudes to a lot of things. It's hard to generalize "children" isn't it?
Meg Hawkins MLS Librarian Darby Township School 1-8 Glenolden PA
caughey195 at yahoo.com
----- Original Message ---- From: Claudia Pearson <pearsoncrz at earthlink.net> To: James Elliott <libraryjim at embarqmail.com>; Perry Nodelman <perry_nodelman at shaw.ca> Cc: CCBC -Net <ccbc-net at lists.education.wisc.edu> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23:57 AM Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Hide and Seek
> The main part of the quote that stood out for me was this part:
>
> He reads for his own pleasure rather than to impart knowledge or correct
the opinions of others. Above all, he is guided
> by an instinct to create for himself, out of whatever odds and ends he
can come by, some kind of whole.
>
> For me, that IS the Child reader. The adult reader may do this, but
brings other 'baggage' to the table.
>
> Jim E.
>
At what point do you think children begin to apply the lessons they have learned from life or from other readings, comparing this story with other stories they have read for generic consistency, this hero with the one they last read about, this dad or mom with their dad or mom?
It may be an error to assume children bring no baggage to their reading or that they read only for pleasure.
Claudi
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT)
Children change as they grow. But Children and adults do have very different attitudes and abilities to separate things. Adults can bring a different level of critical thinking (not criticism) to what they read than children do. Often, by over-analyzing, adults can totally miss the inherent meaning of a thing. I'm giving my age away here, but have you ever seen an old show called "Children say the Darndest things?" Art Linkletter started it, and I think Bill Cosby revived it, but it shows that there is clearly a difference between how children interpret the world and how adults do.
One story: A minister saw a marquee for an XXX rated movie theater, and mentioned it a shame that 'dirty movies' were so prevalent in his community. Later that night, his son mentioned to a friend what his dad had said. The friend asked "what's a dirty movie?" the son answered, "I don't know, but it must involve a lot of spitting and rolling in the mud!" dirty for him was literally DIRT-y.
Or have you seen a child laughing at a movie such as "Airplane"? They don't get the adult-themed humor, but their mind supplies substitutes that still make it funny to them. Hence the double entendre of a theme.
I don't think there is any argument that children and adults see things on different levels (or that there is any generalization involved). It's a fact of mental and societal development.
Jim
----- Original Message ----- From: mchawkins <caughey195 at yahoo.com> Cc: CCBC -Net <ccbc-net at lists.education.wisc.edu> Sent: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Hide and Seek
I apologize if this has been discussed before, it's a lot to ingest.
What age children do you all mean? A 6 yr old with a picture book and a 9 yr old with Ramona (or vice versa) have different attitudes to a lot of things. It's hard to generalize "children" isn't it?
Meg Hawkins MLS Librarian Darby Township School 1-8 Glenolden PA
caughey195 at yahoo.com
----- Original Message ---- From: Claudia Pearson <pearsoncrz at earthlink.net> To: James Elliott <libraryjim at embarqmail.com>; Perry Nodelman <perry_nodelman at shaw.ca> Cc: CCBC -Net <ccbc-net at lists.education.wisc.edu> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 9:23:57 AM Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Hide and Seek
> The main part of the quote that stood out for me was this part:
>
> He reads for his own pleasure rather than to impart knowledge or correct
the opinions of others. Above all, he is guided
> by an instinct to create for himself, out of whatever odds and ends he
can come by, some kind of whole.
>
> For me, that IS the Child reader. The adult reader may do this, but
brings other 'baggage' to the table.
>
> Jim E.
>
At what point do you think children begin to apply the lessons they have learned from life or from other readings, comparing this story with other stories they have read for generic consistency, this hero with the one they last read about, this dad or mom with their dad or mom?
It may be an error to assume children bring no baggage to their reading or that they read only for pleasure.
Claudi
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