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From: Nancy Bo Flood <wflood>
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:33:20 -0700
What a great summary - as a child psychologist, I agree. As a teen, one's body is both changing and urging one to explore new sensations. Thank you, Susan,
Nancy Bo Flood
wflood at hotmail.com www.nancyboflood.com
author of Navajo Year, Walk Through Many Seasons, A Children's Choice and Arizona Book of the Year
Sand to Stone, the Life Cycle of Sandstone
> From: Shpatron at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:53:24 -0400
> To: perry_nodelman at shaw.ca
> CC: ccbc-net at lists.education.wisc.edu
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Twilight, better reads, and sex
>
> Perry's comment is so illuminating. Many thanks.
>
> I was thinking that vampirism offers a kind of perfect metaphor for
> adolescence, or aspects of it. You can be physically beautiful and
> supernaturally powerful, while at the same time you are a kind of monster. You are
> outside of "normal" society. You are obsessed, and you experience overwhelming
> physical hungers. And were-creatures, with their changing bodies, also
> express these qualities. I see why it's satisfying and kind of validating
> for teenagers to read novels featuring these beings that they think are so
> like them.
>
> Susan Patron
>
>
> In a message dated 7/15/2009 10:57:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> perry_nodelman at shaw.ca writes:
>
>
> But I suspect that Twilight does exactly what Harlequin Romances have
> been doing for decades, and what happened in romances like Jane Eyre
> long before that. The deliciously weak and apparently powerless
> female appears about to be overcome by the enthrallingly strong and
> apparently all-powerful and dangerous sexuality of the male--but
> instead, wonderfully, he must submit to her, defer to his growing love
> for her, have his love for her triumph over and control and contain
> the violence of his passion. The result is that "the forced
> obedience" is his as much as it's hers. She conquers him as much as
> he conquers her, and so it's less about giving into the danger of
> desire than about having the secret power of leeching it of its
> danger. It's a wish-fulfilment fantasy for girls, then--to make the
> dangerously powerful and potentially violent male submit to her
> power. The sad thing is how many girls seem to buy into the ideas
> about the violence and danger of male sexuality enough to find this
> particular wish-fulfilment satisfying. Unless too many boys are
> still being socialized to actually be like that?
>
> Perry, a day too soon
> _____________
> Perry Nodelman
> Book Trailers:
> The Hidden Adult: Defining Children's Literature
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3t7JAfPQeA
> The Ghosthunters2: The Curse of the Evening Eye
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qapDE1Kwnis
> The Ghosthunters I: The Proof that Ghosts Exist
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw0ow7oQV7k
>
>
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Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:33:20 -0700
What a great summary - as a child psychologist, I agree. As a teen, one's body is both changing and urging one to explore new sensations. Thank you, Susan,
Nancy Bo Flood
wflood at hotmail.com www.nancyboflood.com
author of Navajo Year, Walk Through Many Seasons, A Children's Choice and Arizona Book of the Year
Sand to Stone, the Life Cycle of Sandstone
> From: Shpatron at aol.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:53:24 -0400
> To: perry_nodelman at shaw.ca
> CC: ccbc-net at lists.education.wisc.edu
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Twilight, better reads, and sex
>
> Perry's comment is so illuminating. Many thanks.
>
> I was thinking that vampirism offers a kind of perfect metaphor for
> adolescence, or aspects of it. You can be physically beautiful and
> supernaturally powerful, while at the same time you are a kind of monster. You are
> outside of "normal" society. You are obsessed, and you experience overwhelming
> physical hungers. And were-creatures, with their changing bodies, also
> express these qualities. I see why it's satisfying and kind of validating
> for teenagers to read novels featuring these beings that they think are so
> like them.
>
> Susan Patron
>
>
> In a message dated 7/15/2009 10:57:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> perry_nodelman at shaw.ca writes:
>
>
> But I suspect that Twilight does exactly what Harlequin Romances have
> been doing for decades, and what happened in romances like Jane Eyre
> long before that. The deliciously weak and apparently powerless
> female appears about to be overcome by the enthrallingly strong and
> apparently all-powerful and dangerous sexuality of the male--but
> instead, wonderfully, he must submit to her, defer to his growing love
> for her, have his love for her triumph over and control and contain
> the violence of his passion. The result is that "the forced
> obedience" is his as much as it's hers. She conquers him as much as
> he conquers her, and so it's less about giving into the danger of
> desire than about having the secret power of leeching it of its
> danger. It's a wish-fulfilment fantasy for girls, then--to make the
> dangerously powerful and potentially violent male submit to her
> power. The sad thing is how many girls seem to buy into the ideas
> about the violence and danger of male sexuality enough to find this
> particular wish-fulfilment satisfying. Unless too many boys are
> still being socialized to actually be like that?
>
> Perry, a day too soon
> _____________
> Perry Nodelman
> Book Trailers:
> The Hidden Adult: Defining Children's Literature
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3t7JAfPQeA
> The Ghosthunters2: The Curse of the Evening Eye
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qapDE1Kwnis
> The Ghosthunters I: The Proof that Ghosts Exist
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw0ow7oQV7k
>
>
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>
> **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now.
> (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu
> slove00000001)
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