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From: Lbhcove at aol.com <*Lbhcove*> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:28:18 EST · Lbhcove

-- 
Waller Hastings
Visiting  Professor
Department of Library and Information Science
School of  Communication, Information & Library Studies
Rutgers University
4  Huntington Street
New Brunswick, NJ 08901-1071,  USA
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Message: 6
Date:  Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:27:45 -0500
From: "Jan Dohner"  <jdohner at gmail.com>
Subject: [child_lit] Help in locating Albanian  translations or
children's lit
To:  child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
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I'm hoping someone on this terrific  list can help us out.  We have a new
student in 6th grade who speaks  only Albanian.  While he is receiving
English instruction, we would  like to keep him reading at his own level in
his native language as  well.  We do this with our new Spanish only students,
but it is  relatively easy to obtain Spanish translations of middle school
level  novels.  Does anyone know if we can obtain either Albanian  children's
novels or translations of popular English children's  novels?  We have
already equipped all of his teachers with Albanian  - English dictionaries.
Thanks in advance
Jan  Dohner
Library Media Specialist and ELA Coordinator
Maltby Middle  School
Brighton MI
www.scnc.bas.k12.mi.us/~maltby
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Message:  7
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:32:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Catherine  Guy <catherinelguy at earthlink.net>
Subject: [child_lit] books  depicting children from tough backgrounds
To: Waller Hastings  <hastingw at rci.rutgers.edu>,
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Hi  Everyone,
I have a question. I recently took a first grade position  in a school in my 
district. Although I have seen tougher neighborhoods here  in San Bernardino, 
this is a pretty tough one. Most of my students come from  broken homes and 
are sourounded by an area plagued with gang violence. I  actually have 2 
children with parents in and out of jail. 
I'm  looking for books I can read to them in class, either picture books or  
novels appropriate for first grade. The other day, I heard a story about  
George Foreman and how he was raised in a tough envioronment. I would love  to 
read them a biography about him, but he's a preacher, and well, I just  don't 
know if it'd be appropriate in a public school. 
I would love  to hear any recommendations you might have. 
Thank You, 
Cathy  G.
-----Original Message-----
>From:  Waller Hastings <hastingw at rci.rutgers.edu>
>Sent: Feb 23, 2008  12:11 PM
>To: child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
>Subject: [child_lit]  looking for an article
>
>  I am trying to get a copy of an  article that appeared in the Children's
>Literature Association  Quarterly in 2006.  My own copies of the journal
>are back in  South Dakota and the electronic access to the relevant issue
>is  temporarily down at Rutgers.  If someone has the ability to send me  a
>pdf of the article, I would be greatly  appreciative.
>
>  Here are the details:
>Pattee,  Amy.: Commodities in literature, literature as commodity: a  close
>look at the Gossip Girl series.
>Children's Literature  Association Quarterly (Winnipeg) (31:2) [Summer
>2006] ,  p.154-175
>
>Thanks.
>
>-- 
>Waller  Hastings
>Visiting Professor
>Department of Library and  Information Science
>School of Communication, Information &  Library Studies
>Rutgers University
>4 Huntington  Street
>New Brunswick, NJ 08901-1071,  USA
>_______________________________________________
>child_lit  mailing  list
>child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
>https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/child_lit
Catherine  Guy
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Message: 8
Date:  Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:33:05 +0000
From: Anne Paradise  <anneparadise at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [child_lit] Censorship in  Virginia
To: Kim Cain <cain at godwinschools.org>, Charles  Butler
<charles.hannibal at gmail.com>
Cc:  child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
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Along these lines, I saw the  "viewer discretion advised" warning at the 
start of Antiques Roadshow the  other day-!?  the only possible object I could 
think of was a 9" bronze  female nude- seted with her legs curled under her, and 
very little  detail."You must not refuse to lend a book, even to an enemy, for 
the cause  of learning will suffer" Rabbi Yehuda of Regensburg, Germany 1200 
C.E. Anne  Holcomb Paradise Hammond Public Libraryanneparadise at hotmail.com  
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:00:12 -0500From:  Cain at godwinschools.orgTo: 
charles.hannibal at gmail.comSubject: Re: [child_lit]  Censorship in VirginiaCC: 
child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
I guess that  people can object to anything!  I don't like it much when they 
do  though. We have a policy to deal with parental objections in my school  
district.  Some don't.  That seems to lead to more  problems.
It is not true that we have only one life to live; if  we can read, we can 
live as many more lives and as many kinds of lives as we  wish.
S.I. Hayakawa>>> "Charles Butler"  <charles.hannibal at gmail.com> 2/19/2008 
4:26 PM >>>
This is  probably a stupid question, but following the Tango discussion I've 
been  wondering (not for the first time) how censorship works in schools in 
the  States. Are there any issues it's *not* considered acceptable for parents 
to  object to? If someone objected that it was "inappropriate" (what an  
insidious word that has become!) to show interracial marriage, for example,  
presumably they would get short shrift? Who  decides?
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Message:  9
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:05:15 -0500
From: "Veronica Schanoes"  <vlschanoes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] books depicting  children from tough
backgrounds
To:  child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
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The only thing I can think of off  the top of my head is Sendak's _We Are All
in the Dumps with Jack and  Guy_.
Biographies are a good place to start--plenty of people were raised  in very
difficult circumstances.
--VS
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008  at 4:32 PM, Catherine Guy  <catherinelguy at earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Hi  Everyone,
>
> I have a question. I recently took a first grade  position in a school in
> my district. Although I have seen tougher  neighborhoods here in San
> Bernardino, this is a pretty tough one.  Most of my students come from 
broken
> homes and are sourounded by an  area plagued with gang violence. I actually
> have 2 children with  parents in and out of jail.
>
> I'm looking for books I can read  to them in class, either picture books or
> novels appropriate for  first grade. The other day, I heard a story about
> George Foreman and  how he was raised in a tough envioronment. I would love
> to read them  a biography about him, but he's a preacher, and well, I just
> don't  know if it'd be appropriate in a public school.
>
> I would love  to hear any recommendations you might have.
>
> Thank  You,
>
> Cathy  G.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> >From: Waller Hastings  <hastingw at rci.rutgers.edu>
> >Sent: Feb 23, 2008 12:11  PM
> >To: child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
> >Subject:  [child_lit] looking for an article
> >
> >  I am  trying to get a copy of an article that appeared in the Children's
>  >Literature Association Quarterly in 2006.  My own copies of the  journal
> >are back in South Dakota and the electronic access to  the relevant issue
> >is temporarily down at Rutgers.  If  someone has the ability to send me a
> >pdf of the article, I would  be greatly appreciative.
> >
> >  Here are the  details:
> >Pattee, Amy.: Commodities in literature, literature as  commodity: a close
> >look at the Gossip Girl series.
>  >Children's Literature Association Quarterly (Winnipeg) (31:2)  [Summer
> >2006] , p.154-175
> >
>  >Thanks.
> >
> >--
> >Waller Hastings
>  >Visiting Professor
> >Department of Library and Information  Science
> >School of Communication, Information & Library  Studies
> >Rutgers University
> >4 Huntington  Street
> >New Brunswick, NJ 08901-1071, USA
>  >_______________________________________________
> >child_lit  mailing list
> >child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
>  >https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/child_lit
>
>
>  Catherine Guy
>  _______________________________________________
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> child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
>  https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/child_lit
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Message:  10
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:25:54 -0500
From: "J. L. Bell"  <jnolbell at earthlink.net>
Subject: [child_lit] Re: appropriage age  for pop-ups
To: child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
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GraceAnne wrote:
<<the pop  up Kama Sutra does indeed exist.>>
But as copies get older,  they don't pop up so easily.
J. L. Bell         JnoLBell at earthlink.net
Musings about some of my favorite
fantasy literature  for young readers.
<http://ozandends.blogspot.com>
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Message:  11
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:30:19 -0500
From: "Lynna Harfmann"  <harfmannl at insightbb.com>
Subject: [child_lit] Diversity in  children's literature
To:  <child_lit at mailman.rutgers.edu>
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Can anyone suggest books appropriate for  elementary school children that
provide interesting but realistic  depictions of family life for children
growing up as a Muslim living in  the United States today?
I'm doing this for a paper in my  Kiddy Lit class.  We've talked a lot about
diversity in children's  literature but I'm not sure I've seen anything about
the Muslim  culture.
All help is greatly  appreciated!
Thank you, Lynna Harfmann
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Message:  12
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:40:53 -0500
From: "Monica Edinger"  <monicaedinger at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] Re: appropriage  age for pop-ups
To: "J. L. Bell" <jnolbell at earthlink.net>
Cc:  child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
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On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 5:25 PM, J. L. Bell  <jnolbell at earthlink.net> wrote:
> GraceAnne wrote:
>   <<the pop up Kama Sutra does indeed  exist.>>
>
>  But as copies get older, they don't pop  up so easily.
>
>  J. L. Bell         JnoLBell at earthlink.net
>
Is  there Viagra for elder pop..er..ups?
Monica
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The Dalton School
108 East 89th Street
New York NY  10128
monicaedinger at gmail.com
my blog educating alice is at  http://medinger.wordpress.com
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Message:  13
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:49:07 -0500
From: GraceAnne Andreassi  DeCandido <ladyhawk at well.com>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] Diversity in  children's literature
To: Lynna Harfmann  <harfmannl at insightbb.com>,
child_lit at greengoblin.rutgers.edu
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Message:  14
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:49:56 -0500
From: GraceAnne Andreassi  DeCandido <ladyhawk at well.com>
Subject: [child_lit] ] Diversity in  children's literature
To: child_lit at mailman.rutgers.edu
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Dear Lynna, 
You might take a  look at One Green Apple, by Eve Bunting, Illus by Ted 
Lewin, which is quite  a lovely 
picture book about a Muslim girl on a class trip.  
Lynna, some of us - I would have to say, me - really dislike the  term Kiddy 
Lit. 
Good luck, GraceAnne  
-------------------------------------------------- 
The honorable  Lynna Harfmann noted on 23 Feb 2008 thusly: 
Can anyone suggest books  appropriate for elementary school children that 
provide 
interesting but  realistic depictions of family life for children growing up 
as a Muslim  
living in the United States today? 
I?m doing this for a paper in  my Kiddy Lit class. We?ve talked a lot about 
diversity in 
children?s  literature but I?m not sure I?ve seen anything about the Muslim 
culture.  
All help is greatly appreciated! 
Thank you, Lynna Harfmann  
GraceAnne A. DeCandido 
Reader Writer Reviewer ~ New York  City 
Part-time lecturer in children's and YA literature Rutgers  SCILS/PDS 
Favorite titles 2008  
http://www.well.com/user/ladyhawk/books.html 
"We should act as if  the universe were listening to us and responding; we 
should act as if  life were going to win. ... we should act as if we were 
attending 
the  marriage of responsibility and delight." 
Philip Pullman University of  East Anglia lecture 3 March 2005 
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Message:  15
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:28:42 -0500
From: Tali  <katawampus2 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] Diversity in  children's literature
To: "Lynna Harfmann"  <harfmannl at insightbb.com>
Cc:  child_lit at mailman.rutgers.edu
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Hi Lynna,
I would highly  recommend Sitti's Secrets by Naomi Shihab Nye,  
illustrated by  Nancy Carpenter. A beautiful  book.
Tali
----------------------------------------
Dr.  Chamutal Noimann
Adjunct Assistant Professor
Dept. of  English
Hunter College,  CUNY
cnoimann at hunter.cuny.edu
On Feb 23, 2008, at 5:30 PM,  Lynna Harfmann wrote:
> Can anyone suggest books appropriate for  elementary school children  
> that provide interesting but  realistic depictions of family life  
> for children growing up  as a Muslim living in the United States  today?
>
>
>
> I?m doing this for a paper in my  Kiddy Lit class.  We?ve talked a  
> lot about diversity in  children?s literature but I?m not sure I?ve  
> seen anything  about the Muslim culture.
>
>
>
> All help is  greatly appreciated!
>
>
>
> Thank you, Lynna  Harfmann
>
>  _______________________________________________
> child_lit mailing  list
> child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
>  https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/child_lit
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Message:  16
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:52:06 -0800
From: Beverly Slapin  <beverly at oyate.org>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] Diversity in  children's literature
To: Tali <katawampus2 at earthlink.net>
Cc:  child_lit at greengoblin.rutgers.edu
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On Feb 23, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Tali  wrote:
> Hi Lynna,
>
> I would highly recommend  Sitti's Secrets by Naomi Shihab Nye,  
> illustrated by Nancy  Carpenter. A beautiful book.
>
> Tali
>
>  ----------------------------------------
> Dr. Chamutal  Noimann
> Adjunct Assistant Professor
> Dept. of English
>  Hunter College, CUNY
> cnoimann at hunter.cuny.edu
Yes, anything  by Naomi Shihab Nye, and MAJID FASTS FOR RAMADAN (don't  
know  author).
Beverly Slapin
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Message:  17
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:49:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Ellen Pozzi  <empsrpmrp at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] Diversity in  children's literature
To: Lynna Harfmann  <harfmannl at insightbb.com>,
child_lit at mailman.rutgers.edu
Message-ID:  <28337.98233.qm at web52309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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My Name is Bilal by Asma  Mobin-Uddin.  A little
didactic, but good.
Looks like she has  a new one out--The Best Eid Ever. I
haven't seen that one yet.
I like  that the author of these is a Muslim (a
pediatrician) living in  Ohio-gives them authenticity.
A good non-fiction book is Salaam, A  Muslim American
Boy's Story by Tricia Brown.
Ellen  Pozzi
Doctoral Student
SCILS-Rutgers University
--- Lynna  Harfmann <harfmannl at insightbb.com> wrote:
> Can anyone  suggest books appropriate for elementary
> school children  that
> provide interesting but realistic depictions of
> family  life for children
> growing up as a Muslim living in the United  States
> today?
> 
>  
> 
> I'm doing  this for a paper in my Kiddy Lit class. 
> We've talked a lot  about
> diversity in children's literature but I'm not sure
>  I've seen anything about
> the Muslim culture.
> 
>   
> 
> All help is greatly appreciated!
> 
>   
> 
> Thank you, Lynna Harfmann
> 
> >  _______________________________________________
> child_lit mailing  list
> child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
>  https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/child_lit
>  
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Message:  18
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:18:07 -0800 (PST)
From: DAJ  <daj9999 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] books depicting  children from tough
backgrounds
To:  child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
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--- Catherine Guy  <catherinelguy at earthlink.net> wrote:
> this is a pretty  tough one. Most of my students come
> from broken homes and are  sourounded by an area
> plagued with gang violence. I actually have  2
> children with parents in and out of jail. 
> 
> I'm  looking for books I can read to them in class,
> either picture books  or novels appropriate for first
> grade. 
I don't know if  Keats's books -- like _Goggles_, where
the younger boys have to hide from  the older ones to
keep their new-found goggles -- would be too  tame.  Or
if Bunting's _Smoky Night_ (with the LA riots)  or
Hawthorn's _Way Home_ (homelessness and a certain
level of danger  on the streets) would be too bleak. 
Woodson's _Visiting Day_, though not  about inner
cities, was discussed earlier on the list, since it
deals  with an incarcerated parent.
DAJ
DAJ
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Message: 19
Date:  Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:38:18 -0500
From: "Johnson, Vivian"  <VJohnson at marygrove.edu>
Subject: RE: [child_lit] books depicting  children from tough
backgrounds
To: "Catherine Guy"  <catherinelguy at earthlink.net>,    "Waller  Hastings"
<hastingw at rci.rutgers.edu>,  <child_lit at email.rutgers.edu>
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Hi Catherine,
Here are a  couple of picture books.
1. Something Beautiful  by Sharon Dennis Wyeth
2. No Bad News (Albert Whitman Prairie Books)  by Kenneth Cole and John 
Ruebartsch 
A friend used the following  poetry book to help students talk (and write 
about) living in challenging  situations and environments.
Life Doesn't Frighten Me  by Maya Angelou, Jean-Michel Basquiat, and Sara 
Jane  Boyers
Vivian Johnson, Ph.D.
Associate Professor  
Education Department
Marygrove College
Detroit, MI  48221
-----Original Message-----
From:  child_lit-bounces at email.rutgers.edu on behalf of Catherine Guy
Sent: Sat  2/23/2008 4:32 PM
To: Waller Hastings;  child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
Subject: [child_lit] books depicting children  from tough backgrounds
Hi Everyone,
I have a question. I  recently took a first grade position in a school in my 
district. Although I  have seen tougher neighborhoods here in San Bernardino, 
this is a pretty  tough one. Most of my students come from broken homes and 
are sourounded by  an area plagued with gang violence. I actually have 2 
children with parents  in and out of jail. 
I'm looking for books I can read to them in  class, either picture books or 
novels appropriate for first grade. The other  day, I heard a story about 
George Foreman and how he was raised in a tough  envioronment. I would love to read 
them a biography about him, but he's a  preacher, and well, I just don't know 
if it'd be appropriate in a public  school. 
I would love to hear any recommendations you might have.  
Thank You, 
Cathy  G.
-----Original Message-----
>From:  Waller Hastings <hastingw at rci.rutgers.edu>
>Sent: Feb 23, 2008  12:11 PM
>To: child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
>Subject: [child_lit]  looking for an article
>
>  I am trying to get a copy of an  article that appeared in the Children's
>Literature Association  Quarterly in 2006.  My own copies of the journal
>are back in  South Dakota and the electronic access to the relevant issue
>is  temporarily down at Rutgers.  If someone has the ability to send me  a
>pdf of the article, I would be greatly  appreciative.
>
>  Here are the details:
>Pattee,  Amy.: Commodities in literature, literature as commodity: a  close
>look at the Gossip Girl series.
>Children's Literature  Association Quarterly (Winnipeg) (31:2) [Summer
>2006] ,  p.154-175
>
>Thanks.
>
>-- 
>Waller  Hastings
>Visiting Professor
>Department of Library and  Information Science
>School of Communication, Information &  Library Studies
>Rutgers University
>4 Huntington  Street
>New Brunswick, NJ 08901-1071,  USA
>_______________________________________________
>child_lit  mailing  list
>child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
>https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/child_lit
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_______________________________________________
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Message:  20
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:56:32 -0500
From: "cgabb at mindspring.com"  <cgabb at mindspring.com>
Subject: [child_lit] a canon for children's  poetry
To: "CHILDLIT" <child_lit at email.rutgers.edu>
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I'm developing a list of poets considered to be  part of a "canon" of poets 
for young
people.  I've written to  Childlit earlier about this and now have  some 
specific  questions:    Feel free
to contact me off-list...
1/does  a canon (and in this case, a literature canon for children) consist 
of  literature written within a certain time frame?  
2/who do you think  actually _determines the membership in this canon?
3/how does a (or  _the_) canon connect with the growing diversity in this 
country -- not only  by ethnicity, but
also because of the widening gap (IMHO)  between the "modern" poetry 
experience and background?
If you have an  interest in this, and would like to see the list I have 
created thus far, I  would love to hear
from you ... who you would add, delete  etal.
Many  thanks.
Carolyn
cgabb at mindspring.com
http://www.drgabb.com
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Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:18:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Joseph  <mjoseph at rci.rutgers.edu>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] a canon for  children's poetry
To: "cgabb at mindspring.com"  <cgabb at mindspring.com>
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Carolyn,
I would  like to see the list you've prepared, and hear some of your 
answers to  the questions you've raised below.
On Sat, 23 Feb 2008,  cgabb at mindspring.com wrote:
> I'm developing a list of poets  considered to be part of a "canon" of poets 
for young
> people.   I've written to Childlit earlier about this and now have  some 
specific  questions:    Feel free
> to contact me  off-list...
>
> 1/does a canon (and in this case, a literature  canon for children) consist 
of literature written within a certain time  frame?
> 2/who do you think actually _determines the membership in  this canon?
> 3/how does a (or _the_) canon connect with the growing  diversity in this 
country -- not only by ethnicity, but
>     also because of the widening gap (IMHO) between the "modern" poetry  
experience and background?
>
> If you have an interest in this,  and would like to see the list I have 
created thus far, I would love to  hear
> from you ... who you would add, delete etal.
>
>  Many thanks.
>
> Carolyn
>
>  cgabb at mindspring.com
>  http://www.drgabb.com
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Message:  22
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:53:22 +1100
From: "Judith Ridge"  <judith.ridge at gmail.com>
Subject: [child_lit] Completely OT--Noel  Coward question
To: Childlit  <child_lit at email.rutgers.edu>
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Please forgive this extremely OT  request, but I am hoping someone on the
list may also happen to be a Noel  Coward aficionado.
I've been trying to find out why/when/what for the  song "If Love Were All"
was written.
Reason? I've recently bought  the Rufus Wainwright cd of his performance of
Judy Garland's 1961  Carnegie Hall concert. His version of the song is
exquisite and I've been  playing it over and over. It's so beautiful and
melancholy, and seems  potentially autobiographical (the phrase from the
song, "a talent to  amuse", has often been used as a title for books, shows,
etc about  Coward).
I have googled without success and am going to look for a  Coward biography,
but perhaps a child_litter out there can  help.
Thanks and apologies for taking up your bandwidth! (I could  play Six Degrees
of Separation as an excuse?my Noel Coward question is  [1.] inspired by
Wainwright's version of "If Love Were All", in turn [2.]  inspired by Judy
Garland's concert in which she sings [and Rufus also  beautifully covers]
[3.] "Somewhere Over the Rainbow", which brings us to  the [4.] film of "The
Wizard of Oz" which brings us to the [5.] classic  of American children's
literature?I make that five degrees, which I hope  is within the bounds of
the list's indulgence!)
(I can't connect  Kevin Bacon in there anywhere!)
Judith
--  
Judith Ridge
Western Sydney Young People's Literature  Officer
Arts and Cultural Development
Blacktown City Council
PO  Box 63
(62 Flushcombe Road)
Blacktown NSW  2148
AUSTRALIA
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:56:13 +1100
From: "Judith Ridge"  <judith.ridge at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] ] Diversity in  children's literature
To: ladyhawk at well.com
Cc:  child_lit at mailman.rutgers.edu
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On 24/02/2008, GraceAnne Andreassi  DeCandido <ladyhawk at well.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>  Lynna, some of us - I would have to say, me - really dislike the  term
> Kiddy Lit.
Amen to  that.
Judith
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Western Sydney Young  People's Literature Officer
Arts and Cultural  Development
Blacktown City Council
PO Box 63
(62 Flushcombe  Road)
Blacktown NSW 2148
AUSTRALIA
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:01:18 +1100
From: "Judith Ridge"  <judith.ridge at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] books depicting  children from tough
backgrounds
To: DAJ  <daj9999 at yahoo.com>
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On 24/02/2008, DAJ  <daj9999 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
>
>
>  Hawthorn's _Way Home_ (homelessness and a certain
> level of danger on  the streets)
A correction: "Way Home" is by Libby Hathorn,  not Hawthorn. Gregory Rogers
won the Greenaway Medal for the  illustrations for the book in 1994. (Good
Lord, 14 years  ago?!)
Judith
-- 
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Western Sydney  Young People's Literature Officer
Arts and Cultural  Development
Blacktown City Council
PO Box 63
(62 Flushcombe  Road)
Blacktown NSW 2148
AUSTRALIA
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:13:44 +1100
From: "Judith Ridge"  <judith.ridge at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] a canon for  children's poetry
To: cgabb at mindspring.com
Cc: CHILDLIT  <child_lit at email.rutgers.edu>
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On 24/02/2008,  cgabb at mindspring.com <cgabb at mindspring.com>  wrote:
>
>  I'm developing a list of poets considered to be  part of a "canon" of
> poets for young
> people.  I've  written to Childlit earlier about this and now have  some
>  specific questions:    Feel free
> to contact me  off-list...
>
> 1/does a canon (and in this case, a literature  canon for children) consist
> of literature written within a certain  time frame?
> 2/who do you think actually _determines the membership  in this canon?
> 3/how does a (or _the_) canon connect with the  growing diversity in this
> country -- not only by ethnicity,  but
>     also because of the widening gap (IMHO)  between the "modern" poetry
> experience and  background?
>
Carolyn,
A question or perhaps a point  of clarification?you ask about a "canon" of
poetry for children, but you  then seem to narrow your request to American
poets: how does a (or _the_)  canon connect with the growing diversity in this
country?
I  suppose a canon can be limited by nation/ality of origin, although  your
first two questions are more general about the institution of a  canon. Are
you only interested in American poetry/the American canon of  poetry for
young  people?
Thanks,
Judith
-- 
Judith  Ridge
Western Sydney Young People's Literature Officer
Arts and  Cultural Development
Blacktown City Council
PO Box 63
(62  Flushcombe Road)
Blacktown NSW 2148
AUSTRALIA
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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:21:10 +0000
From: Elizabeth Bentley  <elizabeth at wardrobe-on-the-web.com>
Subject: [child_lit]  Dragonhaven by McKinley
To: Child Lit  <CHILD_LIT at EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU>
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Has anyone read  this/discussed it?
I've just finished it and am now re-reading. Not  sure what to think, (though
I do think it is interesting that she seems  to be getting more American now
she is in England).
Anyone  interested in talking about it, on or off  list?
EB
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Northbrook C of E School, London,  UK
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Message:  27
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:23:24 -0500
From: whitworth  <whitworth11 at cox.net>
Subject: [child_lit] Re: Completely OT--Noel  Coward
To: Judith Ridge <judith.ridge at gmail.com>
Cc: Childlit  <child_lit at email.rutgers.edu>
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Judith Ridge wrote:  I've  been trying to find out why/when/what for the 
song "If Love Were All"  was written.
Judith - from www.noelcoward.net - maybe this will  help! ~~~ cheers, 
Tara in VA
Lyrics:
I believe in doing what I  can
In crying when I must
In laughing when I choose
Hey ho, if love  were all
I should be lonely.
I believe the more you love a  man,
The more you give your trust,
The more you're bound to  lose.
Although when shadows fall
I think if only
Somebody  splendid really needed me
Someone affectionate and dear
Cares would be  ended if I knew that he
Wanted to have me near.
But I believe that  since my life began
The most I've had is just a talent to amuse.
Hey  ho, if love were all.
IF LOVE WERE ALL
(1928)
Bitter  Sweet 1929 (Act 2 Sc.1) (Ivy St. Helier)
Sep.Publ.
NCSB
NCG1
A  sort of torch song, but rather more oblique in sentiment than that  
description alone could suggest. Set in a gentle 4/4 tempo, it is a song  
of controlled desire, and perhaps because of that and on account of it  
being the origin of all those ubiquitous ?Talent to Amuse? titles, it is  
rather too often considered to be significantly autobiographical. It  
happened, nevertheless, to be the last song which NC himself ever  
performed in public (Claridge's, November 1972) [BD].There is also a  
French version of the song, with lyrics not by NC, from the French  
production of Au Temps des Valses, as Bitter Sweet was known, entitled  
?Chanson de la Crevette? (see Appendix 2b, item 8c).
The lyrics  provide the piece with forceful poignancy and the melody is 
an effective  match, in the refrain contrasting a first phrase of 
simplicity and  pathos with a second legato phrase expressing the 
resigned wistfulness  of 'Heigho' on falling intervals. The ear expects 
the phrase to end at  "Heigho, if love were all" on a falling fourth, and 
is then delighted  when "I should be lonely" follows. One strength of the 
song lies in the  fact that in its final statement this phrase is indeed 
condensed, and  then completed by a rising fourth. The "middle 8" section 
modulates and  uses a bright little melody of rising and falling scale 
notes,  particularly well-matched to a change in the lyric mood at this 
point,  and providing perfect balance and contrast to the rest of the  
refrain.
This song ranks about fourth in the list of top Coward  royalty earners 
today (see Appendix 3), its popularity doubtless having  been enhanced by 
the fact that everyone from Sheridan Morley onwards has  used the number 
- or at least the crucial extract - in every Coward  compilation and 
biographical sketch as "his theme-song". Even if not  strictly an 
'autobiographical' song, it is a most fitting and  elegantly-crafted 
memorial.
Ivy St. Helier (OCR 05) has an  idiosyncratic voice rather in the Piaf 
mould, but you can hear that she  would have been very effective in 
characterising the number on stage.  Ashe's French accent is well-judged 
on ONR 01. Well-paced also, and with  a Gallic hard edge to her voice, is 
D'Alba on ONR 04, though the overall  effect here is rather spoiled by a 
horrible orchestral intro. For raw  intensity, the extract included by 
Elaine Stritch on ONR 71 takes a bit  of beating, and ONR 09a is poignant 
on account of it being the last  public performance given by Judy 
Campbell, one of Coward?s original  ?leading ladies?, before her own 
death in 2004.
OCR 05: Ivy St.  Helier (Jun 1929)
ONR 08: (in selection) Sam Browne+Hylton orch. (23 Jul  1929)
ONR 65: Eddie Grossbart + Ambrose Orch. (26 Jul 1929)
NCR 32:  (in medley) pno. acc. Norman Hackforth (1951)
NCR 38: (in medley) acc.  Peter Matz (1955)
NCR 41: (in medley) acc. Norman Hackforth (1958)
ONR  66: Mabel Mercer + orch. (1958)
ONR 67: Judy Garland + orch (1961)
ONR  04: Julia D'Alba + Johnny Douglas orch. (1969)
ONR 05: Bobby Short  (1972)
ONR 26: Barbara Casson (Oh Coward!, 1972)
ONR 68: Shirley  Bassey + orch. (date unknown)
ONR 69: Irene Kral + Loonis McGlohon Trio  (1977)
ONR 01: Rosemary Ashe + Sadler's Wells orch. (1988)
ONR 70:  Lesley Garrett + orch. (1995)
ONR 12: Twiggy & Harry Groener  (1999)
ONR 28: Barbara Lea acc. Keith Ingham (1999)
ONR 71: Elaine  Stritch + Rob Bowman orch (2002)
ONR 09a: Judy Campbell acc. Michael Law  (2002)
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Message:  28
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:28:19 -0500 (EST)
From: "Waller Hastings"  <hastingw at rci.rutgers.edu>
Subject: [child_lit] RE: looking for an  article
To: child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
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Thanks to everyone on the list - within  a couple of hours of posting my
request yesterday, three different people  sent me the article in question.
I've sent them private thank you's, but  wanted to let list members know
so folks aren't still trying to find it  or send it to me.
-- 
Waller Hastings
Visiting  Professor
Department of Library and Information Science
School of  Communication, Information & Library Studies
Rutgers University
4  Huntington Street
New Brunswick, NJ 08901-1071,  USA
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Message: 29
Date:  Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:03:02 -0500
From: Deborah Roberts  <droberts at haverford.edu>
Subject: Re: [child_lit] a canon for  children's poetry
To: cgabb at mindspring.com
Cc:  child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
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I would very much like to hear more about this as  it develops.  A few 
thoughts on your questions and also some  further questions.
On (1): It seems to me that canons can cover any  category or time 
span, as when someone refers to the canonical texts of  19th century 
fiction; I'd assume, then, that you could talk about a  canon of 
children's poetry from different eras or a canon of post-1900  
children's poetry, or.....
But canons also change, and the canon  of children's poetry as it was 
envisioned 50 years ago differed  considerably from today's canon. 
I've been struck by the changes in  anthologies aimed at children. 
There are certain poems that early 20th  century children were 
expected to know (such as "The boy stood on the  burning deck") that 
had disappeared from the anthologies I was given,  growing up in the 
50s and 60s.  Other poems that showed up in  earlier anthologies 
persisted in the ones I knew (e.g. "Abou ben Adhem"  and "The Assyrian 
came down like a wolf on the fold" but have dropped  out of the ones 
my daughter has been given.  But some poems in my  anthologies (e.g. 
Frost's "Stopping by Woods") seem still to be  staples.
So I'm curious about whether you're aiming at what you take  to be the 
contemporary canon: that is the poems (from any era) that are  now 
thought to be canonical?
Another question: are you thinking  about the canon of poems written 
specifically for children, or do you  also mean to include poems not 
written for children but frequently given  to children?  The best 
anthologies for children who are already  reading to themselves tend 
to include plenty of the latter.
On  (2): I don't know, but it would be really interesting to 
investigate the  decision-making process involved in a number of 
notable anthologies,  British and American.
On (3): striking difference between the  anthologies of my childhood 
and those of my daughter's childhood is the  inclusion of poetry 
reflecting greater ethnic diversity, and it seems to  me that some of 
these poems show up in a number of different anthologies  and are thus 
arguably part of a new canon.
In a few weeks I'll be  teaching a segment on children's poetry in my 
Children's Lit class; we  look at poems written for children, poems 
anthologized for children, and  poetry orally transmitted among 
children (skipping rhymes, clapping  rhymes, transgressive and parodic 
verse).  Would love to see your  list, tell the class about yr  project.
Thanks
Deborah
>I'm developing a  list of poets considered to be part of a "canon" of 
>poets for  young
>people.  I've written to Childlit earlier about this and  now have 
>some specific questions:    Feel free
>to  contact me off-list...
>
>1/does a canon (and in this case, a  literature canon for children) 
>consist of literature written within  a certain time frame?
>2/who do you think actually _determines the  membership in this canon?
>3/how does a (or _the_) canon connect with  the growing diversity in 
>this country -- not only by ethnicity,  but
>     also because of the widening gap (IMHO)  between the "modern" 
>poetry experience and  background?
>
>If you have an interest in this, and would like  to see the list I 
>have created thus far, I would love to  hear
>from you ... who you would add, delete etal.
>
>Many  thanks.
>
>Carolyn
>
><mailto:cgabb at mindspring.com>cgabb at mindspring.com
><http://www.drgabb.com>http://www.drgabb.com
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>child_lit  mailing  list
>child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
>https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/child_lit
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Deborah Roberts
Professor of Classics and Comparative  Literature
Chair, Department of Classics
Haverford  College
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Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:38:14 -0500
From: "Richard Flynn"  <rflynn at frontiernet.net>
Subject: RE: [child_lit] a canon for  children's poetry
To: "'Deborah Roberts'"  <droberts at haverford.edu>,
<cgabb at mindspring.com>
Cc:  child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
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May I suggest that a good place to  start researching this question for
American poetry is Joseph Thomas's  excellent book: 
Poetry's Playground: The Culture of  Contemporary American Children's Poetry
(Wayne State UP, 2007)  
http://wsupress.wayne.edu/childrens/thomaspp/thomasb.html
_____  
From:  child_lit-bounces at email.rutgers.edu
[mailto:child_lit-bounces at email.rutgers.edu]  On Behalf Of Deborah Roberts
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 11:03  AM
To: cgabb at mindspring.com
Cc:  child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
Subject: Re: [child_lit] a canon for  children's poetry
I would very much like to hear more about  this as it develops.  A few
thoughts on your questions and also some  further questions.
On (1): It seems to me that canons can  cover any category or time span, as
when someone refers to the canonical  texts of 19th century fiction; I'd
assume, then, that you could talk  about a canon of children's poetry from
different eras or a canon of  post-1900 children's poetry, or.....
But canons also change,  and the canon of children's poetry as it was
envisioned 50 years ago  differed considerably from today's canon.  I've been
struck by the  changes in anthologies aimed at children.  There are certain
poems  that early 20th century children were expected to know (such as "The
boy  stood on the burning deck") that had disappeared from the anthologies  I
was given, growing up in the 50s and 60s.  Other poems that showed  up in
earlier anthologies persisted in the ones I knew (e.g. "Abou ben  Adhem" and
"The Assyrian came down like a wolf on the fold" but have  dropped out of the
ones my daughter has been given.  But some poems  in my anthologies (e.g.
Frost's "Stopping by Woods") seem still to be  staples.
So I'm curious about whether you're aiming at what  you take to be the
contemporary canon: that is the poems (from any era)  that are now thought to
be canonical?
Another question:  are you thinking about the canon of poems written
specifically for  children, or do you also mean to include poems not written
for children  but frequently given to children?  The best anthologies for
children  who are already reading to themselves tend to include plenty of  the
latter.
On (2): I don't know, but it would be really  interesting to investigate the
decision-making process involved in a  number of notable anthologies, British
and American.
On  (3): striking difference between the anthologies of my childhood  and
those of my daughter's childhood is the inclusion of poetry  reflecting
greater ethnic diversity, and it seems to me that some of  these poems show
up in a number of different anthologies and are thus  arguably part of a new
canon.
In a few weeks I'll be  teaching a segment on children's poetry in my
Children's Lit class; we  look at poems written for children, poems
anthologized for children, and  poetry orally transmitted among children
(skipping rhymes, clapping  rhymes, transgressive and parodic verse).  Would
love to see your  list, tell the class about yr  project.
Thanks
Deborah
I'm  developing a list of poets considered to be part of a "canon" of  poets
for young
people.  I've written to Childlit earlier  about this and now have  some
specific questions:    Feel  free
to contact me off-list...
1/does a canon (and in  this case, a literature canon for children) consist
of literature written  within a certain time frame?
2/who do you think actually _determines  the membership in this canon?
3/how does a (or _the_) canon connect  with the growing diversity in this
country -- not only by ethnicity,  but
also because of the widening gap (IMHO) between the  "modern" poetry
experience and background?
If you have an  interest in this, and would like to see the list I have
created thus far,  I would love to hear
from you ... who you would add, delete  etal.
Many  thanks.
Carolyn
cgabb at mindspring.com
http://www.drgabb.com
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child_lit  mailing  list
child_lit at email.rutgers.edu
https://email.rutgers.edu/mailman/listinfo/child_lit
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Deborah Roberts
Professor of Classics and Comparative  Literature
Chair, Department of Classics
Haverford  College
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