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From: Christina McTighe <christina.mctighe>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:23:47 -0500
I'm sure I hardly meant that a belief system is akin to such crimes. They simply happened to be the first two examples of controversial authors who came to mind.
Perhaps a better example would be staunch parents not allowing children to watch Disney movies, since Pocohontas and the Little Mermaid promote pantheism, or not to read the Greek and Roman myths, since such stories also promote a religious view that, though largely dead, still deviates from that set forth by those who are upset over Pullman's writing. The main point still being that we don't not read something ourselves, or allow children to read it, simply because we don't agree with an author or his/her intentions. Art for art's sake, no?
On Nov 14, 2007 4:12 PM, Pamela S. Turner <pstrst at pacbell.net> wrote:
> I appreciate the tolerance expressed by Ms. McTighe, but the implication,
> witting or unwitting, is that being an atheist like Mr. Pullman is not far
> removed, morally, from being a violent sexual offender or a pederast. Wow.
>
> Is atheism the third rail of American culture?
>
> Pamela S. Turner
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christina McTighe" <christina.mctighe at gmail.com>
> To: "Wendy Lanehart" <WLanehart at crrl.org>
> Cc: <ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Movies-to-books: controversy over The Golden
> Compass
>
>
> >I began the books in 6th grade, I believe, and read the Amber Spyglass
> as
> >an
> > 8th grader. I remember being deeply moved (bawling, actually) at the
> > relationships between the characters, but not so much the religious
> > sentiments. I happen to be a Christian, and at the time, I was the girl
> > who
> > fought the middle school science teacher on evolution. I do remember
> > thinking, though, as I was reading, that it was a shame that Pullman had
> > to
> > call the First Angel by the name of God, because it wasn't any God that
> I
> > recognized, and I feel the same way now.
> >
> > A friend of mine recieved the same conservative email, and it really
> > doesn't
> > make any sense. Do we not teach children about King Arthur because
> Thomas
> > Mallory may have been a rapist? Do they not read Alice in Wonderland
> > because
> > Carroll may have been involved in pedophilia? Then why should parents
> try
> > and take a wonderful, moving story away from their children because the
> > author doesn't believe in the same things that they do. Granted, perhaps
> > it's a bit different when it comes to religion, I don't know and I'm not
> a
> > parent. But it just seems silly.
> >
> > On Nov 14, 2007 1:51 PM, Wendy Lanehart <WLanehart at crrl.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I used to get very annoyed when movies did not live up to the book,
> but
> >> finally came to the acceptance that the movie and the book are two
> >> different
> >> things.
> >>
> >> I'm curious if anyone else has had any comment over the upcoming
> >> release of The Golden Compass, re Phillip Pullman being an atheist and
> >> the
> >> series out to "corrupt" young minds? First, I got an email from a
> >> conservative neighbor with a link to an Internet site outlining the
> >> insidiousness of Pullman's novels! I simply didn't respond to it,
> >> although
> >> thought it might be fun to tell her we had a display at the library!
> We
> >> made a fantasy display of The Dark is Rising, His Dark Materials, and
> >> Spiderwick for the children's room. My boss said a woman the other day
> >> asked WHY we had The Golden Compass on display, commented that if
> Pullman
> >> was attacking any other religion, the book wouldn't be on display. I
> >> also
> >> had another patron who asked me about the book; I guess she'd gotten
> the
> >> e-mail and was curious. She put the book on hold.
> >>
> >> Personally, I will probably see the movie because I am curious.
> I
> >> liked The Golden Compass but didn't enjoy the other two in the trilogy,
> >> in
> >> fact, I didn't finish the last one. I don't think they're really for
> >> children, but most young adults reading them wouldn't necessarily get
> the
> >> anti-religious allegory anyway.
> >>
> >> Wendy Lanehart
> >> Children's Librarian
> >> Central Rappahannock Regional Library
> >>
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> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >> 1. Workshop in NYC (Lesley Colabucci)
> >> 2. Sequels and Awards (pardon the cross-posting) (Monica Edinger)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:28:17 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From: Lesley Colabucci <lcolabucci at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: [CCBC-Net] Workshop in NYC
> >> To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
> >> Message-ID: <828833.37273.qm at web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> >>
> >> PLEAE CONSIDERING ATTENDING NCTE FOR THIS EXCITING
> >> WORKSHOP FEATURING:
> >> Leonard Marcus (author)
> >> Roxie Munro (author/illustrator)
> >> Robert Neubecker (author/illustrator)
> >> William Low (author/illustrator)
> >> Emily Jenkins (author)
> >> Dan Yaccarino (author/illustrator)
> >> Phil Bildner (author)
> >> Cari Best (author)
> >> Christopher Myers (author/illustrator)
> >> Jessie Hartland (author/illustrator)
> >> Jordan Sonnenblick (author)
> >> Brian Selznick (author/illustrator)
> >>
> >> Register:
> >> http://www.ncte.org/profdev/conv/annual/workshops
> >>
> >> CLA 2007 Workshop
> >> Celebrating New York City in Children?s Literature
> >>
> >> Description
> >>
> >> New York City has been an inspiration for some of the
> >> finest and most memorable children?s literature
> >> produced. This workshop will feature a celebration of
> >> New York City in children's literature. Audience
> >> members will have the opportunity to hear a dozen
> >> children?s authors and illustrators speak about New
> >> York City as a setting for their books and reflect on
> >> how living in New York has influenced their creative
> >> and professional lives. They will discuss and read
> >> from their works?both familiar and new?and will answer
> >> questions from the audience about living the writer?s
> >> and artist?s life in New York. Teachers and professors
> >> of children?s literature who attend this session will
> >> gain an insider?s view (from the perspective of author
> >> or illustrator) for sharing with their students books
> >> created by the following participants: Cari Best, Phil
> >> Bildner, Jessie Hartland, Emily Jenkins, William Low,
> >> Leonard Marcus, Roxie Munro, Christopher Myers, Robert
> >> Neubecker, Brian Selznick, Jordan Sonnenblick, and Dan
> >> Yaccarino. Anyone who loves children?s literature or
> >> loves New York City will love this workshop!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lesley Colabucci, Ph.D.
> >> Assistant Professor
> >> Elementary and Early Childhood Education
> >> Millersville University of Pennsylvania
> >> PO Box 1002
> >> Millersville, PA 17551-0302
> >>
> >> 164 W. Cottage Avenue
> >> 206 Stayer Hall
> >>
> >> (717) 871-5462 (fax)
> >> (717) 871-5618 (office)
> >>
> >> lesley.colabucci at millersville.edu
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
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> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 06:45:43 -0500
> >> From: "Monica Edinger" <monicaedinger at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [CCBC-Net] Sequels and Awards (pardon the cross-posting)
> >> To: Childlit <child_lit at email.rutgers.edu>, adbooks at yahoogroups.com,
> >> "ccbc-net, Subscribers of" <ccbc-net at lists.education.wisc.edu>
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <3985ae260711040345i5b43aef9l55103433e9bf2489 at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>
> >> Jonathan Hunt's timely Horn Book article, "Epic Fantasy Meets Sequel
> >> Prejudice" (http://www.hbook.com/magazine/articles/2007/nov07_hunt.asp)
> >> inspired me to write a blog post on the issue (
> >>
> >>
> http://medinger.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/thoughts-on-newbery-what-about-sequ
> >> els/)
> >> and an interesting conversation is now going on in the comments.
> Please
> >> come and join in!
> >>
> >> Monica
> >>
> >> --
> >> Monica Edinger
> >> Newbery 2008
> >> Chair Notable Children's Books in the Language Arts 2007
> >> The Dalton School
> >> New York NY
> >> edinger at dalton.org
> >> monicaedinger at gmail.com
> >> my blog educating alice is at http://medinger.wordpress.com
> >>
> >>
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Received on Wed 14 Nov 2007 03:23:47 PM CST
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:23:47 -0500
I'm sure I hardly meant that a belief system is akin to such crimes. They simply happened to be the first two examples of controversial authors who came to mind.
Perhaps a better example would be staunch parents not allowing children to watch Disney movies, since Pocohontas and the Little Mermaid promote pantheism, or not to read the Greek and Roman myths, since such stories also promote a religious view that, though largely dead, still deviates from that set forth by those who are upset over Pullman's writing. The main point still being that we don't not read something ourselves, or allow children to read it, simply because we don't agree with an author or his/her intentions. Art for art's sake, no?
On Nov 14, 2007 4:12 PM, Pamela S. Turner <pstrst at pacbell.net> wrote:
> I appreciate the tolerance expressed by Ms. McTighe, but the implication,
> witting or unwitting, is that being an atheist like Mr. Pullman is not far
> removed, morally, from being a violent sexual offender or a pederast. Wow.
>
> Is atheism the third rail of American culture?
>
> Pamela S. Turner
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christina McTighe" <christina.mctighe at gmail.com>
> To: "Wendy Lanehart" <WLanehart at crrl.org>
> Cc: <ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Movies-to-books: controversy over The Golden
> Compass
>
>
> >I began the books in 6th grade, I believe, and read the Amber Spyglass
> as
> >an
> > 8th grader. I remember being deeply moved (bawling, actually) at the
> > relationships between the characters, but not so much the religious
> > sentiments. I happen to be a Christian, and at the time, I was the girl
> > who
> > fought the middle school science teacher on evolution. I do remember
> > thinking, though, as I was reading, that it was a shame that Pullman had
> > to
> > call the First Angel by the name of God, because it wasn't any God that
> I
> > recognized, and I feel the same way now.
> >
> > A friend of mine recieved the same conservative email, and it really
> > doesn't
> > make any sense. Do we not teach children about King Arthur because
> Thomas
> > Mallory may have been a rapist? Do they not read Alice in Wonderland
> > because
> > Carroll may have been involved in pedophilia? Then why should parents
> try
> > and take a wonderful, moving story away from their children because the
> > author doesn't believe in the same things that they do. Granted, perhaps
> > it's a bit different when it comes to religion, I don't know and I'm not
> a
> > parent. But it just seems silly.
> >
> > On Nov 14, 2007 1:51 PM, Wendy Lanehart <WLanehart at crrl.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I used to get very annoyed when movies did not live up to the book,
> but
> >> finally came to the acceptance that the movie and the book are two
> >> different
> >> things.
> >>
> >> I'm curious if anyone else has had any comment over the upcoming
> >> release of The Golden Compass, re Phillip Pullman being an atheist and
> >> the
> >> series out to "corrupt" young minds? First, I got an email from a
> >> conservative neighbor with a link to an Internet site outlining the
> >> insidiousness of Pullman's novels! I simply didn't respond to it,
> >> although
> >> thought it might be fun to tell her we had a display at the library!
> We
> >> made a fantasy display of The Dark is Rising, His Dark Materials, and
> >> Spiderwick for the children's room. My boss said a woman the other day
> >> asked WHY we had The Golden Compass on display, commented that if
> Pullman
> >> was attacking any other religion, the book wouldn't be on display. I
> >> also
> >> had another patron who asked me about the book; I guess she'd gotten
> the
> >> e-mail and was curious. She put the book on hold.
> >>
> >> Personally, I will probably see the movie because I am curious.
> I
> >> liked The Golden Compass but didn't enjoy the other two in the trilogy,
> >> in
> >> fact, I didn't finish the last one. I don't think they're really for
> >> children, but most young adults reading them wouldn't necessarily get
> the
> >> anti-religious allegory anyway.
> >>
> >> Wendy Lanehart
> >> Children's Librarian
> >> Central Rappahannock Regional Library
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ccbc-net-request at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
> >> [mailto:ccbc-net-request at ccbc.education.wisc.edu]
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 1:00 PM
> >> To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
> >> Subject: CCBC-Net Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4
> >>
> >> Send CCBC-Net mailing list submissions to
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> >>
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> than "Re: Contents of CCBC-Net digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >> 1. Workshop in NYC (Lesley Colabucci)
> >> 2. Sequels and Awards (pardon the cross-posting) (Monica Edinger)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:28:17 -0700 (PDT)
> >> From: Lesley Colabucci <lcolabucci at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: [CCBC-Net] Workshop in NYC
> >> To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
> >> Message-ID: <828833.37273.qm at web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >>
> >> PLEAE CONSIDERING ATTENDING NCTE FOR THIS EXCITING
> >> WORKSHOP FEATURING:
> >> Leonard Marcus (author)
> >> Roxie Munro (author/illustrator)
> >> Robert Neubecker (author/illustrator)
> >> William Low (author/illustrator)
> >> Emily Jenkins (author)
> >> Dan Yaccarino (author/illustrator)
> >> Phil Bildner (author)
> >> Cari Best (author)
> >> Christopher Myers (author/illustrator)
> >> Jessie Hartland (author/illustrator)
> >> Jordan Sonnenblick (author)
> >> Brian Selznick (author/illustrator)
> >>
> >> Register:
> >> http://www.ncte.org/profdev/conv/annual/workshops
> >>
> >> CLA 2007 Workshop
> >> Celebrating New York City in Children?s Literature
> >>
> >> Description
> >>
> >> New York City has been an inspiration for some of the
> >> finest and most memorable children?s literature
> >> produced. This workshop will feature a celebration of
> >> New York City in children's literature. Audience
> >> members will have the opportunity to hear a dozen
> >> children?s authors and illustrators speak about New
> >> York City as a setting for their books and reflect on
> >> how living in New York has influenced their creative
> >> and professional lives. They will discuss and read
> >> from their works?both familiar and new?and will answer
> >> questions from the audience about living the writer?s
> >> and artist?s life in New York. Teachers and professors
> >> of children?s literature who attend this session will
> >> gain an insider?s view (from the perspective of author
> >> or illustrator) for sharing with their students books
> >> created by the following participants: Cari Best, Phil
> >> Bildner, Jessie Hartland, Emily Jenkins, William Low,
> >> Leonard Marcus, Roxie Munro, Christopher Myers, Robert
> >> Neubecker, Brian Selznick, Jordan Sonnenblick, and Dan
> >> Yaccarino. Anyone who loves children?s literature or
> >> loves New York City will love this workshop!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lesley Colabucci, Ph.D.
> >> Assistant Professor
> >> Elementary and Early Childhood Education
> >> Millersville University of Pennsylvania
> >> PO Box 1002
> >> Millersville, PA 17551-0302
> >>
> >> 164 W. Cottage Avenue
> >> 206 Stayer Hall
> >>
> >> (717) 871-5462 (fax)
> >> (717) 871-5618 (office)
> >>
> >> lesley.colabucci at millersville.edu
> >>
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> Do You Yahoo!?
> >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> >> http://mail.yahoo.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 06:45:43 -0500
> >> From: "Monica Edinger" <monicaedinger at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [CCBC-Net] Sequels and Awards (pardon the cross-posting)
> >> To: Childlit <child_lit at email.rutgers.edu>, adbooks at yahoogroups.com,
> >> "ccbc-net, Subscribers of" <ccbc-net at lists.education.wisc.edu>
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <3985ae260711040345i5b43aef9l55103433e9bf2489 at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >>
> >> Jonathan Hunt's timely Horn Book article, "Epic Fantasy Meets Sequel
> >> Prejudice" (http://www.hbook.com/magazine/articles/2007/nov07_hunt.asp)
> >> inspired me to write a blog post on the issue (
> >>
> >>
> http://medinger.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/thoughts-on-newbery-what-about-sequ
> >> els/)
> >> and an interesting conversation is now going on in the comments.
> Please
> >> come and join in!
> >>
> >> Monica
> >>
> >> --
> >> Monica Edinger
> >> Newbery 2008
> >> Chair Notable Children's Books in the Language Arts 2007
> >> The Dalton School
> >> New York NY
> >> edinger at dalton.org
> >> monicaedinger at gmail.com
> >> my blog educating alice is at http://medinger.wordpress.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
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