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From: Pamela S. Turner <pstrst>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:12:05 -0800
I appreciate the tolerance expressed by Ms. McTighe, but the implication, witting or unwitting, is that being an atheist like Mr. Pullman is not far removed, morally, from being a violent sexual offender or a pederast. Wow.
Is atheism the third rail of American culture?
Pamela S. Turner
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina McTighe" <christina.mctighe at gmail.com> To: "Wendy Lanehart" <WLanehart at crrl.org> Cc: <ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Movies-to-books: controversy over The Golden Compass
>I began the books in 6th grade, I believe, and read the Amber Spyglass as
>an
> 8th grader. I remember being deeply moved (bawling, actually) at the
> relationships between the characters, but not so much the religious
> sentiments. I happen to be a Christian, and at the time, I was the girl
> who
> fought the middle school science teacher on evolution. I do remember
> thinking, though, as I was reading, that it was a shame that Pullman had
> to
> call the First Angel by the name of God, because it wasn't any God that I
> recognized, and I feel the same way now.
>
> A friend of mine recieved the same conservative email, and it really
> doesn't
> make any sense. Do we not teach children about King Arthur because Thomas
> Mallory may have been a rapist? Do they not read Alice in Wonderland
> because
> Carroll may have been involved in pedophilia? Then why should parents try
> and take a wonderful, moving story away from their children because the
> author doesn't believe in the same things that they do. Granted, perhaps
> it's a bit different when it comes to religion, I don't know and I'm not a
> parent. But it just seems silly.
>
> On Nov 14, 2007 1:51 PM, Wendy Lanehart <WLanehart at crrl.org> wrote:
>
>> I used to get very annoyed when movies did not live up to the book, but
>> finally came to the acceptance that the movie and the book are two
>> different
>> things.
>>
>> I'm curious if anyone else has had any comment over the upcoming
>> release of The Golden Compass, re Phillip Pullman being an atheist and
>> the
>> series out to "corrupt" young minds? First, I got an email from a
>> conservative neighbor with a link to an Internet site outlining the
>> insidiousness of Pullman's novels! I simply didn't respond to it,
>> although
>> thought it might be fun to tell her we had a display at the library! We
>> made a fantasy display of The Dark is Rising, His Dark Materials, and
>> Spiderwick for the children's room. My boss said a woman the other day
>> asked WHY we had The Golden Compass on display, commented that if Pullman
>> was attacking any other religion, the book wouldn't be on display. I
>> also
>> had another patron who asked me about the book; I guess she'd gotten the
>> e-mail and was curious. She put the book on hold.
>>
>> Personally, I will probably see the movie because I am curious. I
>> liked The Golden Compass but didn't enjoy the other two in the trilogy,
>> in
>> fact, I didn't finish the last one. I don't think they're really for
>> children, but most young adults reading them wouldn't necessarily get the
>> anti-religious allegory anyway.
>>
>> Wendy Lanehart
>> Children's Librarian
>> Central Rappahannock Regional Library
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Workshop in NYC (Lesley Colabucci)
>> 2. Sequels and Awards (pardon the cross-posting) (Monica Edinger)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:28:17 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Lesley Colabucci <lcolabucci at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [CCBC-Net] Workshop in NYC
>> To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
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>> PLEAE CONSIDERING ATTENDING NCTE FOR THIS EXCITING
>> WORKSHOP FEATURING:
>> Leonard Marcus (author)
>> Roxie Munro (author/illustrator)
>> Robert Neubecker (author/illustrator)
>> William Low (author/illustrator)
>> Emily Jenkins (author)
>> Dan Yaccarino (author/illustrator)
>> Phil Bildner (author)
>> Cari Best (author)
>> Christopher Myers (author/illustrator)
>> Jessie Hartland (author/illustrator)
>> Jordan Sonnenblick (author)
>> Brian Selznick (author/illustrator)
>>
>> Register:
>> http://www.ncte.org/profdev/conv/annual/workshops
>>
>> CLA 2007 Workshop
>> Celebrating New York City in Children?s Literature
>>
>> Description
>>
>> New York City has been an inspiration for some of the
>> finest and most memorable children?s literature
>> produced. This workshop will feature a celebration of
>> New York City in children's literature. Audience
>> members will have the opportunity to hear a dozen
>> children?s authors and illustrators speak about New
>> York City as a setting for their books and reflect on
>> how living in New York has influenced their creative
>> and professional lives. They will discuss and read
>> from their works?both familiar and new?and will answer
>> questions from the audience about living the writer?s
>> and artist?s life in New York. Teachers and professors
>> of children?s literature who attend this session will
>> gain an insider?s view (from the perspective of author
>> or illustrator) for sharing with their students books
>> created by the following participants: Cari Best, Phil
>> Bildner, Jessie Hartland, Emily Jenkins, William Low,
>> Leonard Marcus, Roxie Munro, Christopher Myers, Robert
>> Neubecker, Brian Selznick, Jordan Sonnenblick, and Dan
>> Yaccarino. Anyone who loves children?s literature or
>> loves New York City will love this workshop!
>>
>>
>>
>> Lesley Colabucci, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Elementary and Early Childhood Education
>> Millersville University of Pennsylvania
>> PO Box 1002
>> Millersville, PA 17551-0302
>>
>> 164 W. Cottage Avenue
>> 206 Stayer Hall
>>
>> (717) 871-5462 (fax)
>> (717) 871-5618 (office)
>>
>> lesley.colabucci at millersville.edu
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 06:45:43 -0500
>> From: "Monica Edinger" <monicaedinger at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [CCBC-Net] Sequels and Awards (pardon the cross-posting)
>> To: Childlit <child_lit at email.rutgers.edu>, adbooks at yahoogroups.com,
>> "ccbc-net, Subscribers of" <ccbc-net at lists.education.wisc.edu>
>> Message-ID:
>> <3985ae260711040345i5b43aef9l55103433e9bf2489 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Jonathan Hunt's timely Horn Book article, "Epic Fantasy Meets Sequel
>> Prejudice" (http://www.hbook.com/magazine/articles/2007/nov07_hunt.asp)
>> inspired me to write a blog post on the issue (
>>
>> http://medinger.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/thoughts-on-newbery-what-about-sequ
>> els/)
>> and an interesting conversation is now going on in the comments. Please
>> come and join in!
>>
>> Monica
>>
>> --
>> Monica Edinger
>> Newbery 2008
>> Chair Notable Children's Books in the Language Arts 2007
>> The Dalton School
>> New York NY
>> edinger at dalton.org
>> monicaedinger at gmail.com
>> my blog educating alice is at http://medinger.wordpress.com
>>
>>
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Received on Wed 14 Nov 2007 03:12:05 PM CST
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:12:05 -0800
I appreciate the tolerance expressed by Ms. McTighe, but the implication, witting or unwitting, is that being an atheist like Mr. Pullman is not far removed, morally, from being a violent sexual offender or a pederast. Wow.
Is atheism the third rail of American culture?
Pamela S. Turner
----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina McTighe" <christina.mctighe at gmail.com> To: "Wendy Lanehart" <WLanehart at crrl.org> Cc: <ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Movies-to-books: controversy over The Golden Compass
>I began the books in 6th grade, I believe, and read the Amber Spyglass as
>an
> 8th grader. I remember being deeply moved (bawling, actually) at the
> relationships between the characters, but not so much the religious
> sentiments. I happen to be a Christian, and at the time, I was the girl
> who
> fought the middle school science teacher on evolution. I do remember
> thinking, though, as I was reading, that it was a shame that Pullman had
> to
> call the First Angel by the name of God, because it wasn't any God that I
> recognized, and I feel the same way now.
>
> A friend of mine recieved the same conservative email, and it really
> doesn't
> make any sense. Do we not teach children about King Arthur because Thomas
> Mallory may have been a rapist? Do they not read Alice in Wonderland
> because
> Carroll may have been involved in pedophilia? Then why should parents try
> and take a wonderful, moving story away from their children because the
> author doesn't believe in the same things that they do. Granted, perhaps
> it's a bit different when it comes to religion, I don't know and I'm not a
> parent. But it just seems silly.
>
> On Nov 14, 2007 1:51 PM, Wendy Lanehart <WLanehart at crrl.org> wrote:
>
>> I used to get very annoyed when movies did not live up to the book, but
>> finally came to the acceptance that the movie and the book are two
>> different
>> things.
>>
>> I'm curious if anyone else has had any comment over the upcoming
>> release of The Golden Compass, re Phillip Pullman being an atheist and
>> the
>> series out to "corrupt" young minds? First, I got an email from a
>> conservative neighbor with a link to an Internet site outlining the
>> insidiousness of Pullman's novels! I simply didn't respond to it,
>> although
>> thought it might be fun to tell her we had a display at the library! We
>> made a fantasy display of The Dark is Rising, His Dark Materials, and
>> Spiderwick for the children's room. My boss said a woman the other day
>> asked WHY we had The Golden Compass on display, commented that if Pullman
>> was attacking any other religion, the book wouldn't be on display. I
>> also
>> had another patron who asked me about the book; I guess she'd gotten the
>> e-mail and was curious. She put the book on hold.
>>
>> Personally, I will probably see the movie because I am curious. I
>> liked The Golden Compass but didn't enjoy the other two in the trilogy,
>> in
>> fact, I didn't finish the last one. I don't think they're really for
>> children, but most young adults reading them wouldn't necessarily get the
>> anti-religious allegory anyway.
>>
>> Wendy Lanehart
>> Children's Librarian
>> Central Rappahannock Regional Library
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ccbc-net-request at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
>> [mailto:ccbc-net-request at ccbc.education.wisc.edu]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 1:00 PM
>> To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
>> Subject: CCBC-Net Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4
>>
>> Send CCBC-Net mailing list submissions to
>> ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
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>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of CCBC-Net digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Workshop in NYC (Lesley Colabucci)
>> 2. Sequels and Awards (pardon the cross-posting) (Monica Edinger)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:28:17 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Lesley Colabucci <lcolabucci at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [CCBC-Net] Workshop in NYC
>> To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
>> Message-ID: <828833.37273.qm at web51402.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> PLEAE CONSIDERING ATTENDING NCTE FOR THIS EXCITING
>> WORKSHOP FEATURING:
>> Leonard Marcus (author)
>> Roxie Munro (author/illustrator)
>> Robert Neubecker (author/illustrator)
>> William Low (author/illustrator)
>> Emily Jenkins (author)
>> Dan Yaccarino (author/illustrator)
>> Phil Bildner (author)
>> Cari Best (author)
>> Christopher Myers (author/illustrator)
>> Jessie Hartland (author/illustrator)
>> Jordan Sonnenblick (author)
>> Brian Selznick (author/illustrator)
>>
>> Register:
>> http://www.ncte.org/profdev/conv/annual/workshops
>>
>> CLA 2007 Workshop
>> Celebrating New York City in Children?s Literature
>>
>> Description
>>
>> New York City has been an inspiration for some of the
>> finest and most memorable children?s literature
>> produced. This workshop will feature a celebration of
>> New York City in children's literature. Audience
>> members will have the opportunity to hear a dozen
>> children?s authors and illustrators speak about New
>> York City as a setting for their books and reflect on
>> how living in New York has influenced their creative
>> and professional lives. They will discuss and read
>> from their works?both familiar and new?and will answer
>> questions from the audience about living the writer?s
>> and artist?s life in New York. Teachers and professors
>> of children?s literature who attend this session will
>> gain an insider?s view (from the perspective of author
>> or illustrator) for sharing with their students books
>> created by the following participants: Cari Best, Phil
>> Bildner, Jessie Hartland, Emily Jenkins, William Low,
>> Leonard Marcus, Roxie Munro, Christopher Myers, Robert
>> Neubecker, Brian Selznick, Jordan Sonnenblick, and Dan
>> Yaccarino. Anyone who loves children?s literature or
>> loves New York City will love this workshop!
>>
>>
>>
>> Lesley Colabucci, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Elementary and Early Childhood Education
>> Millersville University of Pennsylvania
>> PO Box 1002
>> Millersville, PA 17551-0302
>>
>> 164 W. Cottage Avenue
>> 206 Stayer Hall
>>
>> (717) 871-5462 (fax)
>> (717) 871-5618 (office)
>>
>> lesley.colabucci at millersville.edu
>>
>> __________________________________________________
>> Do You Yahoo!?
>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>> http://mail.yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 06:45:43 -0500
>> From: "Monica Edinger" <monicaedinger at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [CCBC-Net] Sequels and Awards (pardon the cross-posting)
>> To: Childlit <child_lit at email.rutgers.edu>, adbooks at yahoogroups.com,
>> "ccbc-net, Subscribers of" <ccbc-net at lists.education.wisc.edu>
>> Message-ID:
>> <3985ae260711040345i5b43aef9l55103433e9bf2489 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Jonathan Hunt's timely Horn Book article, "Epic Fantasy Meets Sequel
>> Prejudice" (http://www.hbook.com/magazine/articles/2007/nov07_hunt.asp)
>> inspired me to write a blog post on the issue (
>>
>> http://medinger.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/thoughts-on-newbery-what-about-sequ
>> els/)
>> and an interesting conversation is now going on in the comments. Please
>> come and join in!
>>
>> Monica
>>
>> --
>> Monica Edinger
>> Newbery 2008
>> Chair Notable Children's Books in the Language Arts 2007
>> The Dalton School
>> New York NY
>> edinger at dalton.org
>> monicaedinger at gmail.com
>> my blog educating alice is at http://medinger.wordpress.com
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
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