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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:17:51 -0600
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> 1. test message (Carolyn Gabb)
> 2. Re: poetry and art (skuklin1 at nyc.rr.com)
> 3. Re: POETRY AND ART (Lbhcove at aol.com)
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> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:04:49 -0400
> From: "Carolyn Gabb" <cgabb at mindspring.com>
> Subject: [CCBC-Net] test message
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> Blanksorry had to test my system
> thanks
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:32:41 -0400
> From: <skuklin1 at nyc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] poetry and art
> To: "'Benita Strnad'" <bstrnad at bama.ua.edu>, "'Subscribers of
> ccbc-net'" <ccbc-net at ccbc.ad.education.wisc.edu>
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> Dear Colleagues:
>
> This is such an interesting discussion. It makes me think back to graduate
> school, when I studied ancient Chinese scroll painters and poets. Here's
> what I remember and would like to share with you. [I learned many this
> years
> ago and the studies might have changed.]:
>
> After a scroll was painted, a poet was invited to write a poem directly on
> the scroll. If one word of poetry, or even one stroke of the calligraphy,
> was not in perfect harmony with the scroll, the entire work was ruined.
> When both art and poetry were in harmony, an astonishingly moving creation
> was born. While looking at the scrolls, one can feel the art or the
> poem -
> separate or whole.
>
> I often think picture books and illustrated poetry is like the ancient
> Chinese scrolls. They must compliment one another, not necessarily
> linearly.
> The wrong illustration with the right poem, or the opposite, ruins the
> whole
> work. The right illustration with the right poem, on the other hand, is
> divine. When it is "right," we enjoy the words and the illustrations -
> the
> part, the whole.
>
> It's amazing to me how art and poetry travel through cultures, time, and
> history.
>
> At any rate, that's my two cents. I'll go back to lurking.
>
> Susan Kuklin
> author
>
>
>
> Skuklin1 at nyc.rr.com
> www.Susankuklin.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
> [mailto:ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Benita
> Strnad
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:35 PM
> To: Subscribers of ccbc-net
> Subject: [CCBC-Net] poetry and art
>
> I think that good illustrations are invaluable to the reader of poetry.
> They help to set the tone and mood of the poem. If you are reading by
> yourself - silently they help the reader to visualize what the author
> was talking about.
>
> Bad illustrations are a distraction and certainly unhelpful. If
> illustrations are confusing or lead to confusion about what the poem
> says then they are a problem. There is a fine line between confusion
> and pondering the meaning of visual information and audio information.
>
> Once again developmental levels of children must enter the
> conversation. Children are ready to read poetry and understand it at
> ages and stages that vary according to the individual. Mr. Hopkins is
> right that adults must take more interest in the content of materials
> presented to children. Not everything works with everybody.
>
> I also agree that poetry should be heard. Children can understand very
> complex concepts when they hear it read. They also can understand
> complex vocabulary at very early ages when the vocabulary is presented
> in audio form. It is unfortunate that there are so many problems with
> presenting poetry in an audio format. Thanks to Mr. Hopkins for
> explaining those problems. However, this list should also serve as a
> wake-up to some enterprising publisher about making more audio poetry
> available to the consumer. There is a publishing company, Barefoot
> books, and one other publishing company that I know of does books with
> accompanying audio materials. The Barefoot Books are often times CD's
> of the book and cost around $20.00 per CD. They concentrate on
> folktales, but also do Shakespeare versions, and opera and ballet
> versions with accompanying music on the CD's. These are materials that
> help teachers and librarians bring audio forms of art into the classroom
> and the learning experience. There is another company does lots of
> regional folktales, regional storytellers, regional songs and singing
> styles, as well as poetry of all kinds. They always have a nice booth
> at the summer ALA, but I just can't place the name of this company. If
> anybody knows feel free to tell the list. Putamayo Music has also
> started doing things for children that includes some poetry from around
> the world. Most of it in the native languages.
>
> The audio experience is a vital part of learning for children,
> especially young children. In many ways it is more important than is
> the visual experience for these children.
>
> --
>
> Benita Strnad
> Curriculum Materials Librarian
> McLure Education Library
> The University of Alabama
>
> Our whole American way of life
> is a great war of ideas,
> and librarians are the arms dealers
> selling weapons to both sides.
> James Quinn
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:53:50 EDT
> From: Lbhcove at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] POETRY AND ART
> To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
> Message-ID: <279.84ed6fc.316fbffe at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> You must forgive me for being so vociferous on this subject but it is one
> that I'm totally involved in on a day-to-day basis.
>
> Consider this: As an anthologist, I compose the collection...and the
> collection only. Like most writers of picture books, we NEVER or
> RARELY get to see final art until the book is published. It is the
> EDITOR
> who decides on artwork...NOT the poet nor anthologist. And often art
> directors have a lot to say about design and illustration.
>
> Having done close to 200 books, are there illustrations that I don't
> like?
> Illustrations that never come close to depicting a poem? Or books of my
> own
> I consider over-illustrated? You bet! Once they are 'out', however,
> you can't put 'em back! They become YOUR book.
>
> Some of the best illustrated works (mine as well as others) are those
> that
> do not necessarily interpret each word of a poem but give an abstract
> look to the work...thus giving the reader an opportunity to broaden
> his/her
> thinking.
>
> There are times I BEG editors to consider having less art than poem-text;
> not overwhelm the work. Sometimes I win; other times I lose.
>
> But in the end it not the writer or collector's fault.
>
> So much goes into the making of a book. So few people truly realize
> how much. In the end, however, when it comes time for criticism, time
> for
> reviewers to chime in...it is usually the AUTHOR who gets the glory or the
> blame.
>
> It is much easier to review a book than it is to create one.
>
> I do both. Writing a paragraph about a book IS a lot easier than writing
> the book.
>
> This industry is vast...and it is an industry. We must always keep these
> facts in perspective...
>
> Lee Bennett Hopkins
>
> _www.leebennetthopkinsbooks.com_ (http://www.leebennetthopkinsbooks.com)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:17:51 -0600
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----- Original Message ----- From: <ccbc-net-request at ccbc.education.wisc.edu> To: <ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: CCBC-Net Digest, Vol 9, Issue 14
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> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of CCBC-Net digest..."
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>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. test message (Carolyn Gabb)
> 2. Re: poetry and art (skuklin1 at nyc.rr.com)
> 3. Re: POETRY AND ART (Lbhcove at aol.com)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:04:49 -0400
> From: "Carolyn Gabb" <cgabb at mindspring.com>
> Subject: [CCBC-Net] test message
> To: <ccbc-net at ccbc.ad.education.wisc.edu>
> Message-ID: <002f01c65e63$f91c1be0$ef607d18 at carolynz2qtwlm>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
> Blanksorry had to test my system
> thanks
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:32:41 -0400
> From: <skuklin1 at nyc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] poetry and art
> To: "'Benita Strnad'" <bstrnad at bama.ua.edu>, "'Subscribers of
> ccbc-net'" <ccbc-net at ccbc.ad.education.wisc.edu>
> Message-ID: <200604131428.k3DESevZ027496 at ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Dear Colleagues:
>
> This is such an interesting discussion. It makes me think back to graduate
> school, when I studied ancient Chinese scroll painters and poets. Here's
> what I remember and would like to share with you. [I learned many this
> years
> ago and the studies might have changed.]:
>
> After a scroll was painted, a poet was invited to write a poem directly on
> the scroll. If one word of poetry, or even one stroke of the calligraphy,
> was not in perfect harmony with the scroll, the entire work was ruined.
> When both art and poetry were in harmony, an astonishingly moving creation
> was born. While looking at the scrolls, one can feel the art or the
> poem -
> separate or whole.
>
> I often think picture books and illustrated poetry is like the ancient
> Chinese scrolls. They must compliment one another, not necessarily
> linearly.
> The wrong illustration with the right poem, or the opposite, ruins the
> whole
> work. The right illustration with the right poem, on the other hand, is
> divine. When it is "right," we enjoy the words and the illustrations -
> the
> part, the whole.
>
> It's amazing to me how art and poetry travel through cultures, time, and
> history.
>
> At any rate, that's my two cents. I'll go back to lurking.
>
> Susan Kuklin
> author
>
>
>
> Skuklin1 at nyc.rr.com
> www.Susankuklin.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
> [mailto:ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Benita
> Strnad
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:35 PM
> To: Subscribers of ccbc-net
> Subject: [CCBC-Net] poetry and art
>
> I think that good illustrations are invaluable to the reader of poetry.
> They help to set the tone and mood of the poem. If you are reading by
> yourself - silently they help the reader to visualize what the author
> was talking about.
>
> Bad illustrations are a distraction and certainly unhelpful. If
> illustrations are confusing or lead to confusion about what the poem
> says then they are a problem. There is a fine line between confusion
> and pondering the meaning of visual information and audio information.
>
> Once again developmental levels of children must enter the
> conversation. Children are ready to read poetry and understand it at
> ages and stages that vary according to the individual. Mr. Hopkins is
> right that adults must take more interest in the content of materials
> presented to children. Not everything works with everybody.
>
> I also agree that poetry should be heard. Children can understand very
> complex concepts when they hear it read. They also can understand
> complex vocabulary at very early ages when the vocabulary is presented
> in audio form. It is unfortunate that there are so many problems with
> presenting poetry in an audio format. Thanks to Mr. Hopkins for
> explaining those problems. However, this list should also serve as a
> wake-up to some enterprising publisher about making more audio poetry
> available to the consumer. There is a publishing company, Barefoot
> books, and one other publishing company that I know of does books with
> accompanying audio materials. The Barefoot Books are often times CD's
> of the book and cost around $20.00 per CD. They concentrate on
> folktales, but also do Shakespeare versions, and opera and ballet
> versions with accompanying music on the CD's. These are materials that
> help teachers and librarians bring audio forms of art into the classroom
> and the learning experience. There is another company does lots of
> regional folktales, regional storytellers, regional songs and singing
> styles, as well as poetry of all kinds. They always have a nice booth
> at the summer ALA, but I just can't place the name of this company. If
> anybody knows feel free to tell the list. Putamayo Music has also
> started doing things for children that includes some poetry from around
> the world. Most of it in the native languages.
>
> The audio experience is a vital part of learning for children,
> especially young children. In many ways it is more important than is
> the visual experience for these children.
>
> --
>
> Benita Strnad
> Curriculum Materials Librarian
> McLure Education Library
> The University of Alabama
>
> Our whole American way of life
> is a great war of ideas,
> and librarians are the arms dealers
> selling weapons to both sides.
> James Quinn
>
> _______________________________________________
> CCBC-Net mailing list
> CCBC-Net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
> Visit this link to read archives or to unsubscribe...
> http://ccbc.education.wisc.edu/mailman/listinfo/ccbc-net
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:53:50 EDT
> From: Lbhcove at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] POETRY AND ART
> To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
> Message-ID: <279.84ed6fc.316fbffe at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> You must forgive me for being so vociferous on this subject but it is one
> that I'm totally involved in on a day-to-day basis.
>
> Consider this: As an anthologist, I compose the collection...and the
> collection only. Like most writers of picture books, we NEVER or
> RARELY get to see final art until the book is published. It is the
> EDITOR
> who decides on artwork...NOT the poet nor anthologist. And often art
> directors have a lot to say about design and illustration.
>
> Having done close to 200 books, are there illustrations that I don't
> like?
> Illustrations that never come close to depicting a poem? Or books of my
> own
> I consider over-illustrated? You bet! Once they are 'out', however,
> you can't put 'em back! They become YOUR book.
>
> Some of the best illustrated works (mine as well as others) are those
> that
> do not necessarily interpret each word of a poem but give an abstract
> look to the work...thus giving the reader an opportunity to broaden
> his/her
> thinking.
>
> There are times I BEG editors to consider having less art than poem-text;
> not overwhelm the work. Sometimes I win; other times I lose.
>
> But in the end it not the writer or collector's fault.
>
> So much goes into the making of a book. So few people truly realize
> how much. In the end, however, when it comes time for criticism, time
> for
> reviewers to chime in...it is usually the AUTHOR who gets the glory or the
> blame.
>
> It is much easier to review a book than it is to create one.
>
> I do both. Writing a paragraph about a book IS a lot easier than writing
> the book.
>
> This industry is vast...and it is an industry. We must always keep these
> facts in perspective...
>
> Lee Bennett Hopkins
>
> _www.leebennetthopkinsbooks.com_ (http://www.leebennetthopkinsbooks.com)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> CCBC-Net mailing list
> CCBC-Net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
> Visit this link to read archives or to unsubscribe...
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>
> End of CCBC-Net Digest, Vol 9, Issue 14
> ***************************************
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