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From: Ruth I. Gordon <Druthgo>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:48:59 -0800
I am sending on Sue's "Five Initial..." since it never came through on the list serve. I trust this will not offend Sue, but her efforts were to no avail--so I avail myself of the opportunity to have others read her words.--Big G
Begin forwarded message:
> From: nespecas at neo.rr.com
> Date: February 1, 2006 10:36:59 AM PST
> To: "Ruth I. Gordon" <Druthgo at sonic.net>
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Five Initial Reactions to the Awards
>
> Hi Ruth,
>
> I tried sending that message four times, and it would just not go
> through. The message shows on my end in my sent mail, but on the
> listserv, it has magically disappeared. I have no explanation. I am
> on the road in a hotel, but that should not make a difference. If
> you think my post has any merit and want to send it on, fine. It
> took me 45 minutes to collect my thoughts and write it, so it
> frustrates me that it will not show. Here it is ---
>
>
> I would like to respond to the age limits for the Sibert and
> whether books for older children are eligible.
>
> One of the criteria for the Sibert Award is: "Children are defined
> as persons of ages up to and including fourteen years."
>
> That means if a book is appropriate for children ages 13 & 14, then
> it indeed can be under consideration for the Sibert Award. It might
> be a book for children ages 13 up to 19 even - just as long as it
> is also deemed appropriate for those up to age 14.
>
> The present Sibert Committee would have needed to decide if the
> Lennon title hit the upper level of the range for Sibert.
>
> But remember - this is just one criteria - there are other criteria
> to consider, and no one, except the seated committee, will ever
> know what the discussions were in relation to the book, and what
> might have eliminated a book from the table, or caused it to have
> less points than the actual winners. These discussions, unlike
> notables, are of course private.
>
> Jill made the comment "When Partridge's book on Woody Guthrie
> didn't get picked for a Sibert or a Sibert
> honor back in 2002, we never knew if it had even been eligible. To
> this day, I don't know if it was
> considered or not."
>
> Since I was chair of the 2003 Sibert Committee, which considered
> books published in 2002, which the book on Woody Guthrie written by
> Partridge was published, I can make some general comments.
>
> If our committee felt that the title was appropriate for children
> in the upper level of the range (up to age 14), then yes, it would
> have been eligible and would have been considered. (Committees need
> to consider all books that are eligible.) Obviously they can not
> discuss all the books. Books that are discussed are books that are
> nominated by the committee to be discussed. Then, all aspects of
> the criteria in relation to the award are applied to the book. It
> may be even a small detail that makes a book seem less
> distinguished and removes it from the discussion.
>
> Again, all of these discussions are private, and it is hard to
> second-guess a committee since you were not part of the discussion.
>
> The year I was Sibert Chair, a book on Adolf Hitler won the Sibert
> Award, and Jack Gantos' book titled Hole in My Life was a Honor.
> Obviously, my committee felt these two titles were appropriate for
> the upper range of ages listed in the Sibert Award criteria.
>
>
> Sue McCleaf Nespeca
> Kid Lit Plus Consulting
> Phone: 330-799-0310
> EMAIL: sue at kidlitplus.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Ruth I. Gordon" <Druthgo at sonic.net>
>
> Date: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 1:26 pm
>
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Five Initial Reactions to the Awards
>
>
> > Sue: I can't find a URL for your message. Am I really THAT lost?
> > Big G
> > On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:23 AM, nespecas at neo.rr.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > From: nespecas at neo.rr.com
> > > Date: February 1, 2006 7:49:10 AM PST
> > > To: Jill Davis <jilldaviseditor at yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: "Hunt, Jonathan" <Hunt.Jo at monet.k12.ca.us>, ccbc-
> > > net at ccbc.ad.education.wisc.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Five Initial Reactions to the Awards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Received on Wed 01 Feb 2006 01:48:59 PM CST
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:48:59 -0800
I am sending on Sue's "Five Initial..." since it never came through on the list serve. I trust this will not offend Sue, but her efforts were to no avail--so I avail myself of the opportunity to have others read her words.--Big G
Begin forwarded message:
> From: nespecas at neo.rr.com
> Date: February 1, 2006 10:36:59 AM PST
> To: "Ruth I. Gordon" <Druthgo at sonic.net>
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Five Initial Reactions to the Awards
>
> Hi Ruth,
>
> I tried sending that message four times, and it would just not go
> through. The message shows on my end in my sent mail, but on the
> listserv, it has magically disappeared. I have no explanation. I am
> on the road in a hotel, but that should not make a difference. If
> you think my post has any merit and want to send it on, fine. It
> took me 45 minutes to collect my thoughts and write it, so it
> frustrates me that it will not show. Here it is ---
>
>
> I would like to respond to the age limits for the Sibert and
> whether books for older children are eligible.
>
> One of the criteria for the Sibert Award is: "Children are defined
> as persons of ages up to and including fourteen years."
>
> That means if a book is appropriate for children ages 13 & 14, then
> it indeed can be under consideration for the Sibert Award. It might
> be a book for children ages 13 up to 19 even - just as long as it
> is also deemed appropriate for those up to age 14.
>
> The present Sibert Committee would have needed to decide if the
> Lennon title hit the upper level of the range for Sibert.
>
> But remember - this is just one criteria - there are other criteria
> to consider, and no one, except the seated committee, will ever
> know what the discussions were in relation to the book, and what
> might have eliminated a book from the table, or caused it to have
> less points than the actual winners. These discussions, unlike
> notables, are of course private.
>
> Jill made the comment "When Partridge's book on Woody Guthrie
> didn't get picked for a Sibert or a Sibert
> honor back in 2002, we never knew if it had even been eligible. To
> this day, I don't know if it was
> considered or not."
>
> Since I was chair of the 2003 Sibert Committee, which considered
> books published in 2002, which the book on Woody Guthrie written by
> Partridge was published, I can make some general comments.
>
> If our committee felt that the title was appropriate for children
> in the upper level of the range (up to age 14), then yes, it would
> have been eligible and would have been considered. (Committees need
> to consider all books that are eligible.) Obviously they can not
> discuss all the books. Books that are discussed are books that are
> nominated by the committee to be discussed. Then, all aspects of
> the criteria in relation to the award are applied to the book. It
> may be even a small detail that makes a book seem less
> distinguished and removes it from the discussion.
>
> Again, all of these discussions are private, and it is hard to
> second-guess a committee since you were not part of the discussion.
>
> The year I was Sibert Chair, a book on Adolf Hitler won the Sibert
> Award, and Jack Gantos' book titled Hole in My Life was a Honor.
> Obviously, my committee felt these two titles were appropriate for
> the upper range of ages listed in the Sibert Award criteria.
>
>
> Sue McCleaf Nespeca
> Kid Lit Plus Consulting
> Phone: 330-799-0310
> EMAIL: sue at kidlitplus.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Ruth I. Gordon" <Druthgo at sonic.net>
>
> Date: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 1:26 pm
>
> Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Five Initial Reactions to the Awards
>
>
> > Sue: I can't find a URL for your message. Am I really THAT lost?
> > Big G
> > On Feb 1, 2006, at 8:23 AM, nespecas at neo.rr.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > From: nespecas at neo.rr.com
> > > Date: February 1, 2006 7:49:10 AM PST
> > > To: Jill Davis <jilldaviseditor at yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: "Hunt, Jonathan" <Hunt.Jo at monet.k12.ca.us>, ccbc-
> > > net at ccbc.ad.education.wisc.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Five Initial Reactions to the Awards
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > CCBC-Net mailing list
> > > CCBC-Net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
> > > Visit this link to read archives or to unsubscribe...
> > > http://ccbc.education.wisc.edu/mailman/listinfo/ccbc-net
> >
> >
Received on Wed 01 Feb 2006 01:48:59 PM CST
