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From: Lindsay, Nina <nlindsay>
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:13:50 -0800
I'll ditto Carole's comments, but to respond more fully to Celeste's apt
"few of us are immune to the power of advertising"-- it's true that when you're on the committee, you have to ACTIVELY avoid advertising and starred reviews. Which means you're aware that it's out there...and aware of the books that people are talking about...and as a committee member constantly remind yourself to look at what you think of the book, with the award criteria in mind, and compare it in detail to every other book you've read that year. This is an overwhelming task, and as the year wears on, it actually gets easier and easier to avoid the advertising, just because you've got so much info stuffed into your brain...really well-formed opinions of titles that even starred reviews can't sway... plus, you simply have no time to pay attention to your husband or children, let alone advertising!
Nina Lindsay, Librarian Children's Room Oakland Public Library 125 14th Street Oakland CA 94612
(510) 238-3615 fax (510) 238-6865 nlindsay at oaklandlibrary.org
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[mailto:ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Carole Fiore Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:30 AM To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Criss Cross
As someone who has had the opportunity during my long career to serve on the Newbery, Caldecott, and, most recently, on the first Geisel Award Committee, I must say that many of the individuals who serve on award committees purposely DO NOT look at advertising and try to avoid reading reviews of books that are under consideration while they are serving on the committee. These individuals are selected to serve on these committees because of their abilities to look at books critically and apply specific criteria for each award to the books of that one year. Many of those who serve on book award committees share the books under consideration with peers, parents, and children to help clarify their thoughts and opinions.
Carole D. Fiore
************************************************************************ Carole D. Fiore Training and Library Consulting Author, Fiore's Summer Library Reading Program Handbook -- NOW AVAILABLE from Neal-Schuman cfiore at earthlink.net Phone and Fax: 850-656-8474
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[mailto:ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Steward, Celeste Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:52 AM To: Meghan McCarthy; ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Criss Cross
Well...I haven't thought as deeply on this issue as some folks here...but my inner 10-year old can't believe that D. Wiles' Each Little Bird That Sings didn't win an award...I adored that book...
P.S. I do think marketing has a role in the award process, after all, few of us are immune to the power of advertising.
Celeste Steward Collection Development Librarian, Children Services Alameda County Library 2400 Stevenson Blvd. Fremont, CA 94538
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[mailto:ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu]On Behalf Of Meghan McCarthy Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:30 AM To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Criss Cross
I did in fact notice that Criss Cross got starred reviews, etc. What I was trying to say is that the Caldecott winners are more obvious to the average public... more widely recognized. The author and illustrator of the The Hello, Goodbye Window have been in the mainstream media plenty. The buying public doesn't read the School Library Journal and has probably never heard of it. Ask any shopper if they've heard of Chris Raschka or at least recognizes his work and they'll say "yes." Ask them if they've heard of Lynne Rae Perkins and they'll say "no." I'm pretty in tune with the average public since I've worked at a bookstore for about 5 years.
Every year since I've started working at B&N the same thing happens. We always have the Caldecott pick in stock or at least DID carry it at some point but never the Newbery. When I tell my coworkers the winners, who don't pay any attention to the industry like I do, they say "Oh, that one," to the Caldecott and they say
"What book?" to the Newbery. IF the Newbery pick got written up in major newspapers or magazines, rest assured B&N would carry the book. IF the Newbery book got pushed by its publisher and got a large marketing campaign it would be carried at B&N. After all, the chain's bottom line is making money.
What I am not saying is that the Caldecott picks are the most popular books out there. I sincerely doubt that a book like WALTER THE FARTING DOG will ever end up on the honor list. I also wasn't saying that this is a cold hard fact and that this happens EVERY SINGLE TIME. But I was saying that more often than not, the Caldecott winner is more known to the average person ahead of time than the Newbery... at least in recent years.
I was just making an observation! That's all! I'm going back to lurkdome now....
meghan author/illustrator/bookseller/who is trying not to be a trouble maker but likes to start conversation
--- Kathleen Horning <horning at education.wisc.edu> wrote:
> I think your observation perhaps says more about
> Barnes & Noble and the
> other large chain book stores than it does about the
> award books.
> "Criss Cross" got starred reviews in just about
> every professional
> journal, and was on several of the annual best books
> lists, including
> SLJ, Kirkus, Horn Book Fanfare, and the Book Sense
> Picks from the
> Independent Booksellers Association. Anyone who was surprised that it
> won the Newbery Medal has not been paying
> attention.
>
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Received on Fri 27 Jan 2006 01:13:50 PM CST
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:13:50 -0800
I'll ditto Carole's comments, but to respond more fully to Celeste's apt
"few of us are immune to the power of advertising"-- it's true that when you're on the committee, you have to ACTIVELY avoid advertising and starred reviews. Which means you're aware that it's out there...and aware of the books that people are talking about...and as a committee member constantly remind yourself to look at what you think of the book, with the award criteria in mind, and compare it in detail to every other book you've read that year. This is an overwhelming task, and as the year wears on, it actually gets easier and easier to avoid the advertising, just because you've got so much info stuffed into your brain...really well-formed opinions of titles that even starred reviews can't sway... plus, you simply have no time to pay attention to your husband or children, let alone advertising!
Nina Lindsay, Librarian Children's Room Oakland Public Library 125 14th Street Oakland CA 94612
(510) 238-3615 fax (510) 238-6865 nlindsay at oaklandlibrary.org
-----Original Message----- From: ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
[mailto:ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Carole Fiore Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:30 AM To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Criss Cross
As someone who has had the opportunity during my long career to serve on the Newbery, Caldecott, and, most recently, on the first Geisel Award Committee, I must say that many of the individuals who serve on award committees purposely DO NOT look at advertising and try to avoid reading reviews of books that are under consideration while they are serving on the committee. These individuals are selected to serve on these committees because of their abilities to look at books critically and apply specific criteria for each award to the books of that one year. Many of those who serve on book award committees share the books under consideration with peers, parents, and children to help clarify their thoughts and opinions.
Carole D. Fiore
************************************************************************ Carole D. Fiore Training and Library Consulting Author, Fiore's Summer Library Reading Program Handbook -- NOW AVAILABLE from Neal-Schuman cfiore at earthlink.net Phone and Fax: 850-656-8474
************************************************************************
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[mailto:ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of Steward, Celeste Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:52 AM To: Meghan McCarthy; ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Criss Cross
Well...I haven't thought as deeply on this issue as some folks here...but my inner 10-year old can't believe that D. Wiles' Each Little Bird That Sings didn't win an award...I adored that book...
P.S. I do think marketing has a role in the award process, after all, few of us are immune to the power of advertising.
Celeste Steward Collection Development Librarian, Children Services Alameda County Library 2400 Stevenson Blvd. Fremont, CA 94538
-----Original Message----- From: ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu
[mailto:ccbc-net-bounces at ccbc.education.wisc.edu]On Behalf Of Meghan McCarthy Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:30 AM To: ccbc-net at ccbc.education.wisc.edu Subject: Re: [CCBC-Net] Criss Cross
I did in fact notice that Criss Cross got starred reviews, etc. What I was trying to say is that the Caldecott winners are more obvious to the average public... more widely recognized. The author and illustrator of the The Hello, Goodbye Window have been in the mainstream media plenty. The buying public doesn't read the School Library Journal and has probably never heard of it. Ask any shopper if they've heard of Chris Raschka or at least recognizes his work and they'll say "yes." Ask them if they've heard of Lynne Rae Perkins and they'll say "no." I'm pretty in tune with the average public since I've worked at a bookstore for about 5 years.
Every year since I've started working at B&N the same thing happens. We always have the Caldecott pick in stock or at least DID carry it at some point but never the Newbery. When I tell my coworkers the winners, who don't pay any attention to the industry like I do, they say "Oh, that one," to the Caldecott and they say
"What book?" to the Newbery. IF the Newbery pick got written up in major newspapers or magazines, rest assured B&N would carry the book. IF the Newbery book got pushed by its publisher and got a large marketing campaign it would be carried at B&N. After all, the chain's bottom line is making money.
What I am not saying is that the Caldecott picks are the most popular books out there. I sincerely doubt that a book like WALTER THE FARTING DOG will ever end up on the honor list. I also wasn't saying that this is a cold hard fact and that this happens EVERY SINGLE TIME. But I was saying that more often than not, the Caldecott winner is more known to the average person ahead of time than the Newbery... at least in recent years.
I was just making an observation! That's all! I'm going back to lurkdome now....
meghan author/illustrator/bookseller/who is trying not to be a trouble maker but likes to start conversation
--- Kathleen Horning <horning at education.wisc.edu> wrote:
> I think your observation perhaps says more about
> Barnes & Noble and the
> other large chain book stores than it does about the
> award books.
> "Criss Cross" got starred reviews in just about
> every professional
> journal, and was on several of the annual best books
> lists, including
> SLJ, Kirkus, Horn Book Fanfare, and the Book Sense
> Picks from the
> Independent Booksellers Association. Anyone who was surprised that it
> won the Newbery Medal has not been paying
> attention.
>
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